BodybyFisher Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 My dash pad was lifting around the center speaker on my 96 Deville. It bugged me as it ruined the look of the dash and looked damaged. I am sure that the sun beating through the windshield is rough. I noticed that the foam where it pulled away from the shell was sticky and damp. Could this edge have pulled away because of vinyl cleaners and sprays being sprayed in the area or is it just shrinkage from the heat and cold? Here is the adhesive I used, it is good for plastic, vinyl and foam, it fit the bill! Its a polyurethane adhesive and it needs to cure for 24 hours. So I clamped it for 24 hours. I don't know if I mentioned it but I had the dash pad off because I replaced the air mix actuator. So the clamping took place with the pad on my bench. I cut 1 x 3"'s to fit the sides and did one side at a time. You can still see where I clamped a 1 x 3", that indentation has since disappeared. The clamping indentations on the two sides is already gone in this photo. The area is tight and it was not pulled back at all, the adhesive feels tough, so maybe this will work! I will post a photo of it installed tomorrow Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BodybyFisher Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I used a one inch flexible puddy knife to smooth the adhesive on the shell and the pad and got it as deep as I could trying to reach the part that was still stuck. I think this came out good. It was hot today and the sun beat down on it and its still sticking. I will post an update during the dog days of August. So far, not bad Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Nunnally Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Good; hope it stays fixed. Helpful for others if they have the same issue. Bruce 2023 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing Follow me on: Twitter Instagram Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thanks Bruce, I have heard others complain about this problem so maybe someone will benefit. I hope it holds, I think it will.. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wicz Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thanks Bruce, I have heard others complain about this problem so maybe someone will benefit. I hope it holds, I think it will.. The dash pad looks great! The windshield, now thats another story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thanks Bruce, I have heard others complain about this problem so maybe someone will benefit. I hope it holds, I think it will.. The dash pad looks great! The windshield, now thats another story That is next on the list. Its a hard and expensive job however. A detailer must peel back the cloth top and a glass shop must replace the windshield. I was paid for it already. It must not rain for 24 hours before the job, as R&Ring the cloth top will be a problem. I have had two appointments and it rained both times... Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Thanks Bruce, I have heard others complain about this problem so maybe someone will benefit. I hope it holds, I think it will.. The dash pad looks great! The windshield, now thats another story That is next on the list. Its a hard and expensive job however. A detailer must peel back the cloth top and a glass shop must replace the windshield. I was paid for it already. It must not rain for 24 hours before the job, as R&Ring the cloth top will be a problem. I have had two appointments and it rained both times... Jeeze Mike, that's hard to hear. I didn't realize the front windshield on a canvas covered Deville was such a problem! I had the front windshield replaced on my canvas covered '95 Eldorado inexpensively. The "Glass Guy" told me, however, that the rear windshield might cost about $2500 or so to replace. He explained about sending the car out to a body shop to have the "basket top" removed. Then the glass shop R&Rs the rear windshield. Back to the body shop for the "basket replacement." OUCH! I had no idea that was such a problem for a front windshield on a canvas covered Deville. Adding up your parts/labor for the recent projects, I'm guessing you are now driving about in a $75,000 Deville! Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Thanks Bruce, I have heard others complain about this problem so maybe someone will benefit. I hope it holds, I think it will.. The dash pad looks great! The windshield, now thats another story That is next on the list. Its a hard and expensive job however. A detailer must peel back the cloth top and a glass shop must replace the windshield. I was paid for it already. It must not rain for 24 hours before the job, as R&Ring the cloth top will be a problem. I have had two appointments and it rained both times... Jeeze Mike, that's hard to hear. I didn't realize the front windshield on a canvas covered Deville was such a problem! I had the front windshield replaced on my canvas covered '95 Eldorado inexpensively. The "Glass Guy" told me, however, that the rear windshield might cost about $2500 or so to replace. He explained about sending the car out to a body shop to have the "basket top" removed. Then the glass shop R&Rs the rear windshield. Back to the body shop for the "basket replacement." OUCH! I had no idea that was such a problem for a front windshield on a canvas covered Deville. Adding up your parts/labor for the recent projects, I'm guessing you are now driving about in a $75,000 Deville! Regards, Warren This is a factory top that covers the rubber seal, the insurance company gave me $425 for the job and allocated about $200 to peeling the top back.. My 91 Seville windshield was changed once without a problem, but it was an aftermarket top and I don't think there was any interference. One of these days I want you to drive this car, yes I have replaced a lot of parts over the last two years, but it rides like new now. I can't actually say that there is anything serious that I need to do at this point, except the parking brake cables and rear brake line, and, and, and... I had the tires balanced and rotated yesterday, its like riding on glass.. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAUL T Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I have been told by an auto detailer that when people use Armor all on the dash and over time stop using it, that the vinyl shrinks and cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I have been told by an auto detailer that when people use Armor all on the dash and over time stop using it, that the vinyl shrinks and cracks. I have heard some negative things about armorall also. I don't like it because I don't like the pad to shine Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epricedright Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I have that same problem Mike. Not too bad looking yet, but even so, I'd like to fix it. My dash is curling up a little too, close to the center where it meets the black pad. I don't think there's a speaker there in mine, although I'm not for certain. How's that Liquid Nails holding up? Does that pad just lift up - is it just glued in place? Do you think just putting some weight on it till the glue cured would work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I have that same problem Mike. Not too bad looking yet, but even so, I'd like to fix it. My dash is curling up a little too, close to the center where it meets the black pad. I don't think there's a speaker there in mine, although I'm not for certain. How's that Liquid Nails holding up? Does that pad just lift up - is it just glued in place? Do you think just putting some weight on it till the glue cured would work? Hi Kim, I don't have a speaker there either. It seems that the pad just shrinks and pulls away. I think the glue is dissolved by wetness from cleaning, etc. The foam and shell were gummy and sticky. I was just looking at it tonight and its holding up good, that adhesive is strong stuff. Take the dash pad off. Here is a tip, cover the fake wood over with painters tape, the dash pad has extended pods that can scratch it. You will need to pop out the vents to gain access to the screws. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epricedright Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I was hoping to not have to remove the dash pad. I think I'll try lifting up the two spots where it's curling up with a putty knife (close to the black rubber piece in the center of the dash - what ever that's called?), clean under there well, squirt in some of that Liquid Nails, place something flat over it with weight to hold it down, and let it cure for a good 24 hours or so. The black rubber piece in the center is also curling up some so I will clean and glue that down as well. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I was hoping to not have to remove the dash pad. I think I'll try lifting up the two spots where it's curling up with a putty knife (close to the black rubber piece in the center of the dash - what ever that's called?), clean under there well, squirt in some of that Liquid Nails, place something flat over it with weight to hold it down, and let it cure for a good 24 hours or so. The black rubber piece in the center is also curling up some so I will clean and glue that down as well. What do you think? Honestly, I think CLAMPING it with handheld wood clamps using a block of wood is what caused it to stick, I did it over three days one side each day. I used a lot of pressure, weight will NOT pull it down enough. Make sure you find the same adhesive I found. Mike Taking the pad off is easy, once you know the trick Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayAllah Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 How's the dash holding up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 <!--quoteo(post=106973:date=Jul 24 2007, 07:54 PM:name=PAUL T)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PAUL T @ Jul 24 2007, 07:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=106973"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have been told by an auto detailer that when people use Armor all on the dash and over time stop using it, that the vinyl shrinks and cracks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have heard some negative things about armorall also. I don't like it because I don't like the pad to shine The dashpad is not supposed to shine. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Once I fixed it, it was good till I got rid of the car, it looked perfect. You need to remove the pad to get at it, use clamps, Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterset Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Once I fixed it, it was good till I got rid of the car, it looked perfect. You need to remove the pad to get at it, use clamps, Mike Did I miss something? did you get rid of your '96 Devile? If I recall, you were going to time-cert a used block & perform a swap. did you get another car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfangd Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I have to take care of my 96 Devilles dash *smurf* it is just starting to curl in the same spot, and yes It is very expensive for rear window replacement with a factory landau top. The factory landau top goes all the way around the rear window like a limousine. and the top of the front windshield is where the top ends. If I ever had to replace the rear window on my cadillac I would have to part with it. It is impossible to find any detailer around here that wants to touch it. and parts replacement is now impossible due to our lovely economy. My top has the LED limousine style lighting and parts are no longer availablle either Nice dash though GM FAN FOREVER Nice, clean, luxury= fine automobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Once I fixed it, it was good till I got rid of the car, it looked perfect. You need to remove the pad to get at it, use clamps, Mike Did I miss something? did you get rid of your '96 Devile? If I recall, you were going to time-cert a used block & perform a swap. did you get another car? Yes, I sent her to the scrap yard, I really want a Seville, and figured if I spent so much money and time fixing it, Id never get the Seville I wanted. It would have been a lot to fix it, it needed timeserting, case half seals, brake lines, rear knuckle bushings, crossover pipe, stabilizer links.. i gave up http://caddyinfo.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=30050&st=0&p=168799&fromsearch=1entry168799 Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyG Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 I have been told by an auto detailer that when people use Armor all on the dash and over time stop using it, that the vinyl shrinks and cracks. I've heard this too, back in 1986 on my Merkur XR4ti (Google it). Anyway, this theory doesn't hold water since there is no "control". Now show me a car that has used Armor All, and not been LEFT OUT IN THE SUN, and I'll believe it. In other words, I think it's from sun damage, and the main reason that some of us own garages. Get one of those shiney sunscreens that reflect the sun's heat and your repair will last longer. Never underestimate the amount of a persons greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcard Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I have what may be a dumb question but why does GM and other car makers use these **** dash pads? iv seen so many cars with these foam/vinal dash pads curled/bowed up. my 05 monte carlo LS has it bad. right in the center of the dash pad up next to the front windscreen. looks horrible. my 2000 deville dhs has a slight bowing on the far right side. when i was car shopping for a deville i looked at one that had a dash pad that had bowed up so bad some idiot used a staple gun to "fix it". iv see a lot of cars with this problem. why not use a polymer or some type of quality plastic for the dash pads.Also why are they so dang pricey to replace? i was told a new pad for my montecarlo would be about 800 bucks at the dealer ship! thats insane and complete BS. a dash for my moms 94 z28 was insanly priced as well.i would probly pass out if i was told what a dash pad for my deville cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyG Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 I have what may be a dumb question but why does GM and other car makers use these **** dash pads? iv seen so many cars with these foam/vinal dash pads curled/bowed up. my 05 monte carlo LS has it bad. right in the center of the dash pad up next to the front windscreen. looks horrible. my 2000 deville dhs has a slight bowing on the far right side. when i was car shopping for a deville i looked at one that had a dash pad that had bowed up so bad some idiot used a staple gun to "fix it". iv see a lot of cars with this problem. why not use a polymer or some type of quality plastic for the dash pads.Also why are they so dang pricey to replace? i was told a new pad for my montecarlo would be about 800 bucks at the dealer ship! thats insane and complete BS. a dash for my moms 94 z28 was insanly priced as well.i would probly pass out if i was told what a dash pad for my deville cost It probably has a lot to do with government mandated saftey standards, as well as maximized profit margins. I suppose we could make them out of painted steel, or woodgrained metal, but they wouldn't pass the crash tests. Do you know if foreign car makers have similar problems, or is there a better grade of plastic (vinyl) out there? Never underestimate the amount of a persons greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jndnaps Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 This is something I'd like to try. My dash got bad this summer. I'm to chicken to do it though. I know I'll break something trying to get the dash off. If my cluster goes out again, the spedo shop will have it off for me and said they'd need the car for 5 days. I can do it then.. Was thinking of just taking the grill out and running a screw through each corner. The grill will cover it.. Saw one in the bone yard and was gonna snatch the dash and saw that's what they did. Didn't see the screws till I took the grill off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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