bschelle Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 My 99 Deville radio does not shut off after I turn off the car and open the door. It stays on until I turn it off at the radio knob. Retained Accessory relay maybe? Why just the radio? PS: Can anyone tell me where I can go to "Use The Search Function School"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Do the windows operate also after you open the door? The retained power circuit allows the radio and windows to work. If it's just the radio, that is odd. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Yep. The windows have power too! Any suggestions on what they call the module and where I can get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 It's called RAP (Retained Accessory Power). Not sure if that is what the controlling module is called though without checking the FSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I don't have the 99 manual, but yes this sounds like its related to the retained power circuit. I think, that it might be as simple as your door switch. I will check to see if the retained power turns off, if the passenger side door opens in a bit, and let you know, so that you can test the drivers door switch, not sure if the passenger door shuts off retained power. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 OK, it's the PZM (Body Control Module). God only knows how they came up with that acronym. http://caddyinfo.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 The FSM says the PZM powers the Accessort Time Delay relay and the Controlled Power Relay. Any of the doors will stop the timer in the PZM. Mine keeps going no matter what doors I open. Looks like the PZM is the problem. Further research to see how to test the PZM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 PZM or a relay, if you listen you will find that you get a click when the radio turns off. So you are telling me that you have power 100% of the time now? It never turns off? Watch your battery. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Yea, both the radio and windows have power all of the time. I use the car every day and so far the battery hasn't gone dead overnight. So I think that it couldn't be the relays. They get their juice from the PZM and the PZM is supposed to shut off the juice after 10 minutes and it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterset Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 PZM = Platform Zone Manager Yes, when the passenger door opens, it cuts off power too. I know this because my wife always opens up her door as I am rolling up all the windows, (Not kidding - ALWAYS). I then have to put the key in the ignition (wearing down my lock cylinder even more ), and roll up the window. I would try opening up the passenger door & the power should shut down. - remember mine is a '96. could have changed their shut-off criteria if there are many passengers like my wife!! I would think this will raise a PZM code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 PZM = Platform Zone Manager Silly me. Now why didn't I think of that. Thanks Winterset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 No luck. Opening any of the doors has no effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I am having a tough time getting the BCM. Ordered it from rockauto for $120 but they couldn't get it. Brasington wants almost $400. Found one from a bone yard for $80 and they want the number off of the old one which is still in the car. I sent them the OE part number and see if that is good enough. And yes the battery did go dead so I am putting it on a trickle charger at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jking220 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Yes, when the passenger door opens, it cuts off power too. I know this because my wife always opens up her door as I am rolling up all the windows, (Not kidding - ALWAYS). I then have to put the key in the ignition (wearing down my lock cylinder even more ), and roll up the window. I would try opening up the passenger door & the power should shut down. - remember mine is a '96. could have changed their shut-off criteria if there are many passengers like my wife!! I know this doesnt help with the problem at hand... but Ive got an 01 STS and the pass door kills power as well... I know bc my gf has the same issue as winterset's wife... she is standing next to me beating on me as I type this. Jonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jim Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 PZM = Platform Zone Manager Yes, when the passenger door opens, it cuts off power too. I know this because my wife always opens up her door as I am rolling up all the windows, (Not kidding - ALWAYS). I then have to put the key in the ignition (wearing down my lock cylinder even more ), and roll up the window. I would try opening up the passenger door & the power should shut down. - remember mine is a '96. could have changed their shut-off criteria if there are many passengers like my wife!! I would think this will raise a PZM code winterset, I seem to remember that mine used to work like that. I could be mistaken, but NOW, when the passengers door is opened... it cuts off everything BUT the radio. Like you, I am usually putting up the window or closing the sunroof when she opens the door. Have to put the key back in and finish what I was doing. The radio and EVERYTHING stops when the drivers door is opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 I just put in a new Body Control Module (PZM) and it didn't change a thing. If the BCM is supposed to shut off power after 10 minutes or when a door is open, how could I still be getting juice to the radio and windows? Does the BCM have to get a signal form somewhere? Why wouldn't it kill power after 10 minutes if nothing else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 My backup lights were not working because of a corroded fuse at the fuse box under the hood. I fixed that and no change. Then i was doing the door open thing and noticed that the interior light on the drivers side door panel was not working but all of the other doors were. I changed the bulb and it is still not working. This leads me to think that Scottyy was right that it was maybe the door jamb switch not working. Another symptom I have is that the alarm does not deactivate when I use the key to unlock the drivers door. It disarms when I use the remote or unlock the passenger door with the key. So, what do I need to replace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmurph Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 autos.msn.com seems to think the Accessory Time Delay Relay is a common problem. The link is http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliabil...p;model=DeVille look under "Starting and Charging" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 autos.msn.com seems to think the Accessory Time Delay Relay is a common problem. The link is http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliabil...p;model=DeVille look under "Starting and Charging" Interesting, I thought the timing was done by the PZM? Do you see the relay in the schematic/ Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmurph Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I have the 1998 Deville factory manual and it does show the Accessory Time Delay Relay. It also says it is located "on the front left of the passenger compartment, tapped in the body harness" , it shows a picture as well but I still can't tell for sure where it is located. From what I read the PZM does do the counting and sends the signal to the relay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I have the 1998 Deville factory manual and it does show the Accessory Time Delay Relay. It also says it is located "on the front left of the passenger compartment, tapped in the body harness" , it shows a picture as well but I still can't tell for sure where it is located. From what I read the PZM does do the counting and sends the signal to the relay. Hmm, that's interesting. The PZM timer terminates the ground to the relay and the contacts open? The key comes on, the relay contacts close?, there by providing KEY ON power to the scheduled "retained power" circuit, pretty cool. So now in your case, the PZM which we know is good because you changed it, when the key is turned off, starts a timer and at the end of 10? minutes, commands the ground open. A shorted ground wire would keep the circuit engaged or a mechanical problem in the relay (fused contacts, binding, etc). You might wait ten minutes or better yet 11 minutes and then do the tap test on the relay give it a good shot, maybe you will induce the lights to go off and you will found the problem. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschelle Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I put in a new Accessory Time Delay relay (RAP) and no change (you have to pull up the carpet on the drivers side and it is in a wire conduit). I unpluged the relay and still no change. I unpluged the Controlled Power Relay that is located in the trunk and stiil no change. Where is the door jamb switch located. I can't find any reference to it in my FSM. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 RAP #1 Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.logandieselusa.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Logan Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Accessory Time Delay Relay On the left front of the passenger compartment, tapped in the body harness Retained Accessory Power (RAP) Component Views Retained Accessory Power (RAP) Connector End Views Body Control Module (PZM) In the left rear of the passenger compartment, behind the rear seat, on the electronics bay Body Control System Component Views in Body Control System Body Control System Connector End Views in Body Control System LH Front Power Window Switch In the left front of the passenger compartment, on the left front door -- Power Door Systems Connector End Views in Doors LH Underhood Fuse Block On the left side of the engine compartment, near the engine compartment fuse/relay center Power and Grounding Component Views in Wiring Systems -- Rear Compartment Fuse Block In the left front of the rear compartment, on the electronics bay Power and Grounding Component Views in Wiring Systems -- Rear Compartment Relay Center In the left rear of the passenger compartment, behind the rear seat, on the electronics bay Power and Grounding Component Views in Wiring Systems -- RH Front Power Window Switch In the right front of the passenger compartment, on the right front door -- Power Door Systems Connector End Views in Doors Sunroof Control Module In the front of the passenger compartment, above the headliner near the sunroof Power Roof Systems Component Views in Roof -- Underhood Fuse Block On the left side of the engine compartment, near the front strut tower Power and Grounding Component Views in Wiring Systems -- C314 (2 cavities) (w/ B9Q or V4U) Body harness to the headliner harness, in the right rear of the passenger compartment, near the headliner Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems Inline Harness Connector End Views in Wiring Systems C314 (2 cavities) (w/o B9Q or V4U) Body harness to the headliner harness, in the right rear of the passenger compartment, near the headliner Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems Inline Harness Connector End Views in Wiring Systems C360 (2 cavities) Body harness to the sunroof harness, in the center front of the passenger compartment, near the sunroof -- Inline Harness Connector End Views in Wiring Systems G401 In the right rear of the passenger compartment, under the rear seat Power and Grounding Component Views in Wiring Systems -- P101 In the left rear of the engine compartment, near the strut tower Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- P500 On the front of the left front door jamb, near the door hinge Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- P600 On the front of the right front door jamb, near the door hinge Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- S300 (w/o V4U) In the body harness, approximately 43 cm (16.93 in) from the rear seat channel breakout Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- S300 (w/ V4U) In the body harness, approximately 34.5 cm (13.58 in) from the rear seat channel breakout -- -- S305 In the body harness, approximately 11.5 cm (4.53 in) from the rear seat channel breakout Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- S308 In the body harness, approximately 14 cm (5.51 in) from P700 Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- S322 In the body harness, approximately 37.5 cm (14.76 in) from the SDM connector breakout Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- S402 In the body harness, approximately 29 cm (11.41 in) into the cross car breakout Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- S404 In the body harness, approximately 21 cm (8.27 in) into the cross car breakout Harness Routing Views in Wiring Systems -- Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.logandieselusa.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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