Marika Posted December 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Once again, I want to thank everyone for their generous donations. I also want to assure everyone that once I figure out what to do with this engine I will keep everyone informed. The donations are sitting in the PayPal account and will remain there until a decision can be made regarding which direction to head in regarding the engine. If by chance it turns out that I can't repair the engine and I end up choosing the direction of getting rid of the car, all the donations will be returned to the donors. If you really want to make people safe drivers again then simply remove all the safety features from cars. No more seat belts, ABS brakes, traction control, air bags or stability control. No more anything. You'll see how quickly people will slow down and once again learn to drive like "normal" humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Marika, if you want to call Lakewood to see if you can negotiate a better price, I will give you his number. He sold a 4.9 to me in the past for $400, but they are getting rare now, you know supply and demand.. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marika Posted December 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Marika, if you want to call Lakewood to see if you can negotiate a better price, I will give you his number. He sold a 4.9 to me in the past for $400, but they are getting rare now, you know supply and demand.. What did the guy say to you? Was it the one that would cost about $1,100, installed? Sure, I'll give it a try. Give me the name and number of the party and I'll call and see what they can come up with. If you really want to make people safe drivers again then simply remove all the safety features from cars. No more seat belts, ABS brakes, traction control, air bags or stability control. No more anything. You'll see how quickly people will slow down and once again learn to drive like "normal" humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Marika, if you want to call Lakewood to see if you can negotiate a better price, I will give you his number. He sold a 4.9 to me in the past for $400, but they are getting rare now, you know supply and demand.. What did the guy say to you? Was it the one that would cost about $1,100, installed? Sure, I'll give it a try. Give me the name and number of the party and I'll call and see what they can come up with. Yes, he said, $500 for the engine, and $600 for installation. His name is Scott from Lakewood Auto Parts, he knows me as Cadillac Mike, I spoke to him yesterday morning, just speak to him, I only have a relationship with him. His number is 631-957-3200 Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 what is the difference between pulling a 4.9 versus a northstar in a 92 seville? I have never really analyzed why the 4.9 would be so much easier. maybe its not? can the heads be pulled and the o-ring's repaired or is it easier to just replace the motor with a used motor of questionable condition? if you fixed your motor, at least you would have some confidence. are the o-rings incorporated into the headgasket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 what is the difference between pulling a 4.9 versus a northstar in a 92 seville? I have never really analyzed why the 4.9 would be so much easier. maybe its not? can the heads be pulled and the o-ring's repaired or is it easier to just replace the motor with a used motor of questionable condition? if you fixed your motor, at least you would have some confidence. are the o-rings incorporated into the headgasket? The o-rings are not field replacable that is a major overhaul, I have seen replacing the sleeves discussed in the manual. Not sure if it is feasible. And yes, using an engine from a scrap yard is risky, and THAT is in the back of my mind. Unless this is an intake manifold gasket there is no fixing this engine if its sleeve seals without a reman engine. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I just got off the phone with someone who I trust as an exceptional engine rebuilder. He offers a warrant on his engines that exceed the warranty offered by general motors on their rebuilt engines. Anyway, here's what he says: The 4.9 litre engine is a nice engine but it was in one sense poorly designed. Head gasket failures he has NEVER seen, he has also NEVER seen intake manifold failures on the 4.9. What he says causes the loss of antifreeze in these engines is the gaskets surrounding the sleeves of the cylinders, it's a rubber gasket that rots and this is where the antifreeze is lost. He has no 4.9 litre engines in stock so mine would have to be rebuilt. Takes about 10 business days and $3,500 is the complete price, this includes the removal of the engine, entire rebuild and replacement of the engine, testing etc. The warranty is 3 years, unlimited mileage and it's a FULL warranty, customer never pays anything during the warranty period. (GM limited warranty is 3 years, 50,000 miles). The o-rings are a potential leak path. I completely forgot about that but I don't consider the 4.9 engine to be a poorly designed engine. If the sleeve o-rings need to be replaced, new intake gaskets and head gaskets will be part of the job. The engine will be like brand new after the repair. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marika Posted December 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Well, Mike . . . I made you post (again). Sheesh, it's like taking candy from a baby. Regards, Cadillac Warren Thank you for your generous donation. If you really want to make people safe drivers again then simply remove all the safety features from cars. No more seat belts, ABS brakes, traction control, air bags or stability control. No more anything. You'll see how quickly people will slow down and once again learn to drive like "normal" humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Wait a minute, while that gesture was generous of you, I think all will agree that my finding and inspecting the motor is worth more than $1.... in order for this to make sense Warren old chap, you need to anti up with coming to inspect it...otherwise, I have the edge ole boy.. Lets face the fact, this gas guzzling Deville of mine, with the gas prices where they are (and you don't want me going on the reasons why, you know the no politics understanding and all), it would easily cost me more than a dollar to drive to Lakewood... Get real, Mike. You'd do it for free, as you have in the past. That's what we like about you. I thought that went without saying. A very happy and prosperous New Year to you my friend! Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 We might be omitting the obvious, a simple fix. Please consider these points: The most likely cause of Marika's problems based on the 8 pages of posts so far is the intake manifold gasket. Pulling the intake manifold and looking at that is a very simple job for a good mechanic. If it's OK, then it's something more serious and we just button it back up and continue with the used engine approach. If the intake manifold gasket is the problem, Marika probably has enough donations now to cover the repair. And, she can have the car before the weekend. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 you missed my point..when we were doing our duel... I am doing it for free, of course... Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 you missed my point..when we were doing our duel... I am doing it for free, of course... I did not miss your point at all. I was simply having fun with it. I just wanted to use it as an "intro" to wish you the prosperous New Year you deserve. Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marika Posted December 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 We might be omitting the obvious, a simple fix. Please consider these points: The most likely cause of Marika's problems based on the 8 pages of posts so far is the intake manifold gasket. Pulling the intake manifold and looking at that is a very simple job for a good mechanic. If it's OK, then it's something more serious and we just button it back up and continue with the used engine approach. If the intake manifold gasket is the problem, Marika probably has enough donations now to cover the repair. And, she can have the car before the weekend. I just got off the phone with a very trusted mechanic, someone who comes highly recommended and is right here in town where I live. He quoted a low price of $400 to a high price of $800 for an intake manifold gasket for the 4.9L engine. He said it takes about 1-2 days depending on parts availability and the price range is based on what they find during the job. Any comments or thoughts about this??? If you really want to make people safe drivers again then simply remove all the safety features from cars. No more seat belts, ABS brakes, traction control, air bags or stability control. No more anything. You'll see how quickly people will slow down and once again learn to drive like "normal" humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 He is high at $800, that is what the DEALER gets for the 3400 intake manifold gaskets and that has upper and lower intake manifold gaskets. The intake manifold gaskets are $16.50 on Rockauto, this is pretty much an old school intake manifold job, very straight forward Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marika Posted December 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 He is high at $800, that is what the DEALER gets for the 3400 intake manifold gaskets and that has upper and lower intake manifold gaskets. The intake manifold gaskets are $16.50 on Rockauto, this is pretty much an old school intake manifold job, very straight forward Every mechanic is high in New Jersey, especially when they hear a woman's voice on the phone. Even parts are at least 200% higher at a dealership from New Jersey then say from Florida. Brogen gets $1,400 for for the same job. If you really want to make people safe drivers again then simply remove all the safety features from cars. No more seat belts, ABS brakes, traction control, air bags or stability control. No more anything. You'll see how quickly people will slow down and once again learn to drive like "normal" humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 He is high at $800, that is what the DEALER gets for the 3400 intake manifold gaskets and that has upper and lower intake manifold gaskets. The intake manifold gaskets are $16.50 on Rockauto, this is pretty much an old school intake manifold job, very straight forward Every mechanic is high in New Jersey, especially when they hear a woman's voice on the phone. Even parts are at least 200% higher at a dealership from New Jersey then say from Florida. Brogen gets $1,400 for for the same job. Try not being a victim it turns my stomach, you have caddyinfo behind you and that is more than most have, you come prepared to battle and filled with knowledge, so being a woman should NOT matter IMHO.. Let them know that you are NOT clueless about this, the intake manifold has about 8 to 10 bolts, its very straight forward, the parts?, BS, $16.50 for a gasket, tell him WTF are you talking about, I'll by the MFing, $16.50 gasket...what parts?, $16.50 gasket/seal, ill buy it!, hey you will even buy new fuel injector o-rings, oil adaptor o-rings, the coolant, etc... Get tough... If you lived nearby, I'd do it, buy me Wendy's .... Brogan?, they are used dealing with the big money demographic. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marika Posted December 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 He is high at $800, that is what the DEALER gets for the 3400 intake manifold gaskets and that has upper and lower intake manifold gaskets. The intake manifold gaskets are $16.50 on Rockauto, this is pretty much an old school intake manifold job, very straight forward Every mechanic is high in New Jersey, especially when they hear a woman's voice on the phone. Even parts are at least 200% higher at a dealership from New Jersey then say from Florida. Brogen gets $1,400 for for the same job. Try not being a victim it turns my stomach, you have caddyinfo behind you and that is more than most have, you come prepared to battle and filled with knowledge, so being a woman should NOT matter IMHO.. Let them know that you are NOT clueless about this, the intake manifold has about 8 to 10 bolts, its very straight forward, the parts?, BS, $16.50 for a gasket, tell him WTF are you talking about, I'll by the MFing, $16.50 gasket...what parts?, $16.50 gasket/seal, ill buy it!, hey you will even buy new fuel injector o-rings, oil adaptor o-rings, the coolant, etc... Get tough... If you lived nearby, I'd do it, buy me Wendy's .... Brogan?, they are used dealing with the big money demographic. Ok, I really can't talk with anyone who needs a shave and a haircut. If you really want to make people safe drivers again then simply remove all the safety features from cars. No more seat belts, ABS brakes, traction control, air bags or stability control. No more anything. You'll see how quickly people will slow down and once again learn to drive like "normal" humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marika Posted December 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 I have been loosing coolant for two years as well. About a pint per 3.000 - 5.000 miles. I was unable to trace it. The good thing is that it did not get worse. I replace coolant partially every year by siphoning through the radiator neck. Every time I do that I add a tube of Bar's Leaks powder. Looks like my intake gasket is bad too. Let's see how long it is going to last... My 89 (4.5) did the same thing, turned out the water pump leaked ever so slightly and only at highway speed, never left a drop on the ground.Then it got WEIRD! I started getting the "Battery No Charge" dealer says blown fuse days later fuse blows again, dealer stumped Happens again at the beach, pull into the dealership there, takes the tech 2 minutes diagnosis bad water pump! It leaked into the a/c clutch causing it to short and blow the fuse the Alt. also happened to be on. That why I don't rule ANYTHING out. Marika, hope it turns out to be something that simple. And I'm good for 50.00 as soon as I get my paypal password back Thank you very much for your donation, STSJOE. If you really want to make people safe drivers again then simply remove all the safety features from cars. No more seat belts, ABS brakes, traction control, air bags or stability control. No more anything. You'll see how quickly people will slow down and once again learn to drive like "normal" humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Ill go into my 91 4.9 manual later and post the procedure for doing the intake gaskets, the hardest part will be removing the fuel rail and cleaning the mating surfaces. I think you will be surprised how easy this is. I used to REGULARLY remove the intake manifold off of EVERY car I bought to pull the lifters to clean them if one ticked, try that on a 74 Eldorado with the 500 cu in engine, it was huge. There is not a lot of difference between doing the 4.9 intake and the intake on the old cars.. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Here is the gasket set, as depicted by Rockauto, I was wrong its 18 bolts Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 He is high at $800, that is what the DEALER gets for the 3400 intake manifold gaskets and that has upper and lower intake manifold gaskets. The intake manifold gaskets are $16.50 on Rockauto, this is pretty much an old school intake manifold job, very straight forward Every mechanic is high in New Jersey, especially when they hear a woman's voice on the phone. Even parts are at least 200% higher at a dealership from New Jersey then say from Florida. Brogen gets $1,400 for for the same job. Try not being a victim it turns my stomach, you have caddyinfo behind you and that is more than most have, you come prepared to battle and filled with knowledge, so being a woman should NOT matter IMHO.. Let them know that you are NOT clueless about this, the intake manifold has about 8 to 10 bolts, its very straight forward, the parts?, BS, $16.50 for a gasket, tell him WTF are you talking about, I'll by the MFing, $16.50 gasket...what parts?, $16.50 gasket/seal, ill buy it!, hey you will even buy new fuel injector o-rings, oil adaptor o-rings, the coolant, etc... Get tough... If you lived nearby, I'd do it, buy me Wendy's .... Brogan?, they are used dealing with the big money demographic. Ok, I really can't talk with anyone who needs a shave and a haircut. I am looking pretty good if you ask me... Long hair is back... ( I have Geico by the way, ) Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 He is high at $800, that is what the DEALER gets for the 3400 intake manifold gaskets and that has upper and lower intake manifold gaskets. The intake manifold gaskets are $16.50 on Rockauto, this is pretty much an old school intake manifold job, very straight forward Every mechanic is high in New Jersey, especially when they hear a woman's voice on the phone. Even parts are at least 200% higher at a dealership from New Jersey then say from Florida. Brogen gets $1,400 for for the same job. Guys, this is very real, very pervasive, and goes unnoticed by nearly all including the perpetrators. Over most of my sister's life, she would call me to deal with some clown on the phone about a car, a bank account, or any other mater where she smelled the oinker on the other side of the table. Athough I was never in the same state and often over 1,000 miles away, the sound of a confident man's voice on the phone solved the problem instantly every time; all the BS just evaporated on contact. Perhaps, Markia, you should ask one of the guys to call your mechanic and renegotiate the price. I nominate Steve. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonjaab Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Has anybody actually done a compression check on this car to verify if it actually has a blown head gasket and not simply a intake gasket or a broken hose etc.??????????????? 93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala 72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville 84 Z-28 Syracuse NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 No recent testing has been done, I suggesting extensive testing in my post earlier Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonjaab Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Thats what I thought BBF but thought I might have missed the post stating if it was done or not..................... 93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala 72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville 84 Z-28 Syracuse NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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