how many crapstars

[RalPh]

To further familiarize yourself greggyc and his "ilk"

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

[Scotty]

To further familiarize yourself greggyc and his "ilk"

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

Nice Ralph, Thanks

[Scotty]

To further familiarize yourself greggyc and his "ilk"

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

Nice Ralph, Thanks (good word, Ilk!)

[bigjayzway]

To further familiarize yourself greggyc and his "ilk"

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm 

I can't stop laughing!!!!!

I cannot believe there can be such a lengthy article on such.......LOL!

Thanks Ralph, you made my day!!!!!

Big Jay

[96DeVille]

What Can be Done about Trolls? Top

When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

[Scotty]

I have been taken in by trolls before. So with this guy I read his message, I looked at the date he joined, looked at the history of his posts (none of which supplied anything intelligent check them out, I just love the finger pointing victim act, "I am getting a water leak anyone else getting one", like the car has a defect of some sort, read his history its unimpressive), and I came up with his first message, see below:

""""Hello all, I'm about to swap for a 94 Deville with a 4.9 in it. I once had a 92 and loved it, traded it for a 95 Eldo with a Northstar in it....trouble from day one...traded that for a Camry. Anyone have any horror stories about the 4.9? I have some about the northstar.""""

So he traded a 92 Deville for a 95 Eldo and had trouble. Big deal! So he condems all Northstars because of a bad experience. This fool was probably ripped off as the car had pre-existing problems! What IDIOT would trade a perfectly good 95 ANYTHING let alone and ELDO NS for a 92 4.9 anyway, unless it had problems

As we all know maintenance is paramount with ANY car let alone a Northstar. So he bought a car with who knows what history, what was the mileage? with who knows what maintenance done or whether it was performed properly, and he is going to make this statement? Immediately I knew that this guy was ignorant and he is making a stupid uneducated statement. To throw out opinions without proper support and knowledge is diarrea of the mouth. Lets not try to defend our cars to him his opinion and mean nothing.

Personally I would be happy if this thread were removed. Consider it a hang nail and trim it off...

[Bob*97 SLS]

I just had my 97 Seville SLS in for an oil change today. They (my cadillac dealer) always check all the fluids while they have it. At 100K+ there are still no problems. All they did was resurface the rotors. They suggested it and I let them! I look for them to keep me safe and moving!

I took a CTS and STS (05) for a spin a week ago and did not like them. So I think I'm stuck!! Either a Deville or nothing.. I did buy a new 05 Dakota last week. But that does not make up for the Seville.

It's sad you had problems with your Caddy but, all cars have them.

[canadian95sts]

Hey greggyc:

I suggest you go out and by your mercedes, and please, when ever you have the slightest little problem with your new ride, and think maybe ill try and fix it myself, TRY AND FIND ANOTHER WEB SITE AS HELPFUL AND INFORMITAVE AS THIS , AND WHEN YOU CANT, REMEMBER HOW YOU TYPED BEFORE YOU THOUGHT, HELL EVEN READ THROUGHT THESE POSTS LIKE I HAVE, AND SPEND THE REST OF THE DAY KICKING YOURSELF IN THE *smurf*, FOR PISSIN US OFF!!!

Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

well said, We have 2537 registered members, one troll, that aint too bad at all!!!

Matt

[Ranger]

I don't consider Greggyc a troll just because he posted his opinion. Not to wise to say the least, bashing Cadillacs on a Caddilac site. He probably knew he would get a rise out of everyone and now is sitting back and enjoying the fun. Hope you enjoy your Mercedes Greg.

[Bob D]

I don't consider Greggyc a troll just because he posted his opinion. Not to wise to say the least, bashing Cadillacs on a Caddilac site. He probably knew he would get a rise out of everyone and now is sitting back and enjoying the fun. Hope you enjoy your Mercedes Greg.

>"He probably knew he would get a rise out of everyone and now is sitting back and enjoying the fun."<...= Troll...

[Poobah]

Interesting to note:

As of this post, this thread has 34 responses and 765 views. Out of the last 250 threads listed on this forum, that's the 5th highest number of responses and the 3rd highest number of views.

We must all get some kind of enjoyment out of this sort of thing.

[WarrenJ]

We must all get some kind of enjoyment out of this sort of thing. <_>

Yep.

[Ranger]

I don't consider Greggyc a troll just because he posted his opinion. Not to wise to say the least, bashing Cadillacs on a Caddilac site. He probably knew he would get a rise out of everyone and now is sitting back and enjoying the fun. Hope you enjoy your Mercedes Greg.

>"He probably knew he would get a rise out of everyone and now is sitting back and enjoying the fun.";)

If that is the definition of troll, I stand corrected.

[Bob D]

I don't consider Greggyc a troll just because he posted his opinion. Not to wise to say the least, bashing Cadillacs on a Caddilac site. He probably knew he would get a rise out of everyone and now is sitting back and enjoying the fun. Hope you enjoy your Mercedes Greg.

>"He probably knew he would get a rise out of everyone and now is sitting back and enjoying the fun."<...= Troll...

If that is the definition of troll, I stand corrected.

Yep Ranger, if I understand the definitions I read correctly, that's thier reason to exist...Which is why the best possible reponse to them is no response at all. Being ingnored is thier worst enemy.

[WarrenJ]

Aw, c'mon guys. This has been at the top of the heap for days now. Let's just make it a "sticky" and be done with it.

Better yet, let's BEDONE with it. Recycle bin anyone??

Regards,

Warren <_>

[greggyc]

Example:

Wife's 1999 Seville with 40k on it went into dealer today because of a few drops of oil on garage floor.

Dealer called.

Reseal lower half of the great NORTHSTAR motor.

Replace steering rack.

Replace master cylinder.

Squeak in rear...Replace sway bar bushings.

My costs $50.00 GM major guard.

This is a well cared for 40k car.

Now you wonder why GM is in trouble.

Have friends with Lexus and another with Infinity and Maxima. No problems like this. It's called RELIABILITY. Whoever builds the best product will get my business!

American workers have to take PRIDE IN THEIR WORK.

GM is a joke with the Cadillac.

NORTHSTAR is junk.

The other car we have is a 2001 DTS.

Once out of warranty No more GM for me!

They can concentrate on their SUV's and sink with them!

GM is once again behind the curve!

Charlie

Looks like i'm not the only one huh???

[BodybyFisher]

No you are not the only negative troll in the world

[BodybyFisher]

I guess you got rid of the 89 190E 2.6 that you were asking questions on on this forum?

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/forums/thr...asp?tid=1198257

The AMG is quite impressive especially their HP output. But before you go an try to compare the AMG to a standard Cadillac, the AMG's begin at $55,225 (C55) and go up to $180,000. The AMG line is more comparable to the V line.

Its really not necessary in life to squash something to feel better about a decision you made. All cars have problems you will see that. My friend has a Kompressor and his dash is out, and they want $800 for the part. Its all relative. Wait until you take the car in for service.

Here is a JD Power Survey for you, note the problem rate for Cadillac at 175 and MB at 283, the industry average is 237. Its all perspective...

U.S. vehicles gain in reliability

Benchmark study shows Big 3's quality exceeds prevailing perceptions.

Frank Greve Knight Ridder Newspapers

11/4/2005

E1

AUTO

METRO FINAL

WAYNE, Mich.

Pick the more reliable car brand: Buick or Mercedes? Chevy or Audi? Lincoln or Volvo? Ford or Volkswagen?

In what come as a shock to many U.S. consumers, it's the American automaker in every case, according to the latest J.D. Power and Associates durability study, an industry benchmark.

The achievement reflects two trends that are largely hidden behind Detroit's spate of bad financial news and fire-sale discounts: The reliability of American cars, trucks and sport-utility vehicles is up, and the reliability of European imports, especially German vehicles, is down.

Consumer Reports, the influential, nonprofit, product-test magazine, sees the same trend.

"Domestic manufacturers are now in second place behind the Japanese" when it comes to reliability, spokesman Doug Love said. "European manufacturers currently are in third."

The magazine's editors reported last month that for the second straight year, no European model had made its most-reliable list, which Japanese entries continue to dominate. Two American entries - the Chevy Monte Carlo and Mercury Mariner - made it.

On the less demanding list of above-average reliability, U.S. automakers had 11 new entries, compared with eight Asian and five European entries. Findings are based on owners' reported experiences with more than 1 million vehicles.

Because reputations lag years behind performance, U.S. automakers are seeing little sales lift for their efforts, said Dan Gorrell, vice president of Strategic Vision, a San Diego-based automotive marketing and consulting firm. For consumers who are looking for affordable cars they can count on, however, the shift has created some bargains.

"Most of the domestics are better than people think," said Jim Sanfilippo, executive vice president of Bloomfield Hills, Mich.-based AMCI Inc., an independent evaluator of U.S. and foreign vehicle quality for the auto industry. "At the same time, some imports are not as good as people think."

The bargains are greatest for buyers of used American cars, Sanfilippo and other analysts said.

They recommended late models of Ford's Focus, Escort, Mustang and Crown Victoria; Buick Regal; Mercury Grand Marquis; Chevrolet Malibu; Ford F-Series trucks; GMC trucks and Chrysler's PT Cruiser. All were strong performers in the 2005 Power durability study, which tallied problems that new-car owners reported in the first three years.

Take the compact Ford Focus, a popular choice, especially if it's equipped with optional head-protecting side air bags. Early versions in the 2000-2002 model years saw a staggering 14 recalls. There have been none on newer models, however, after a Japan-emulating quality revolution at Ford's Wayne, Mich., Stamping and Assembly Plant, the sole Focus builder in the United States.

"We built junk for a little while," said Bill Johnson, the United Auto Workers assembly plant chairman. He said a hasty and hapless adaptation of a European model and poor training for assembly line workers was to blame.

That ended when Wayne's managers and UAW representatives began to work out a quality-oriented, Japanese-style relationship between labor and management.

"Partnership is the key word," plant manager Kenneth Minielly said. "We had to run the plant together because if we didn't work together, we didn't have a prayer of surviving."

The collaboration, endorsed by the UAW's Johnson, gave each Wayne assembly line worker a button to stop the line if a quality concern arose. It also gave each work unit of a dozen or so people a UAW quality leader, who reports, investigates and resolves any quality problems with parts and assemblies that originate at his or her area. They can also report problems observed in other areas of the plant.

This approach to auto manufacturing - stressing teamwork, mutual respect and continual improvement - originated with the American industrial visionary W. Edwards Deming, who sold postwar Japanese corporations on it.

"Unfortunately, it's 50 years later that we're taking it to heart," said Joe Mansouri, the Wayne plant's quality manager.

In Europe, where attention to detail was long a hallmark of the auto-manufacturing process, problems have arisen.

Volkswagen's Golf model had the same problem rate as the Focus in 2000, but VW hasn't kept pace when it comes to reliability improvements. Overall, Volkswagens as a brand had 45 percent more problems than Fords in their first three years on the road, according to Power's 2005 durability survey.

Mercedes-Benz owners in that survey reported more problems than owners of Lincolns, Buicks, Cadillacs or any other U.S. brand but Jeep. The Mercedes problem rate was 283 per hundred cars vs. 151 for Lincoln, 163 for Buick and 175 for Cadillac. The Jeep rate was 289.

Mercedes-Benz USA spokeswoman Donna Boland called the Power survey's reliability findings "a wake-up call" to several problems. Among them: too much cutting-edge technology and electronics in new cars and too many new models.

"This perfect storm caused us some problems," she said, adding that the company is working on corrections.

Even with gains made by U.S. automakers, there has not been a corresponding spike in sales. Industry analysts differ on why U.S. automakers get no credit for their improved wares while Mercedes sales continue to be hot.

Strategic Vision's Gorrell said: "There's a tremendous reservoir of good feeling left toward Mercedes, and it will take a long time for that to be undone. They have a window of opportunity to get their act together."

Conversely, "consistent reliability remains an issue for U.S. automakers," said David Champion, senior director of the auto test department for Consumer Reports. "Some years, the quality's quite good, but the next year it's down."

At the same time, he said, reliability is a much smaller issue for buyers than it was a generation ago, thanks to quality-improvement pressure from Asian automakers.

In 1980, owners of 88 out of 100 new vehicles (domestic and foreign) told Consumer Reports that they'd had problems the first year. Today, the number is 16 out of 100.

PROBLEMS REPORTED

Here are problem rates for motor vehicles in the first three years of ownership, as reported to J.D. Power and Associates, by U.S. owners of 2002 domestic and foreign vehicle brands. Numbers represent problem rates per hundred vehicles. The industry average is 237:

Lexus: 139

Porsche: 149

Lincoln: 151

Buick: 163

Cadillac: 175

Infiniti: 178

Toyota: 194

Mercury: 195

Honda: 201

Acura: 203

BMW: 225

Ford: 231

Chevrolet: 232

Chrysler: 235

Saturn: 240

Oldsmobile: 242

GMC: 245

Pontiac: 245

Mazda: 252

Hyundai: 260

Subaru: 260

Volvo: 266

Jaguar: 268

Dodge: 273

Nissan: 275

Mitsubishi: 278

Mercedes: 283

Saab: 286

Jeep: 289

Suzuki: 292

Audi: 312

Daewoo: 318

Isuzu: 331

Volkswagen: 335

Mini: 383

Land Rover: 395

Kia: 397

Source: Knight Ridder Newspapers

Associated Press file, 2003 / Carlos Osorio

A quality plan at Ford's Wayne, Mich., factory is credited with turning the Focus into a top reliability pick in the Power survey.

[Bob D]

'Nuff said..

It's interesting...something FINALLY passed Land Rover as the worst vehicle on the road. Those pricey rides have held last place in quality for a good long time.

Well I guess that's it then..Kia's officially of my list...(and I was sooo close..).

[Rickster]

Well that was fun. 44 posts to peruse through on a Sunday morning. Lets not kid ourselfs. This kid does not own a new Mercedes.Looks as though he has never owned a new car by his posts. He has no money. He is a troll.

[Regis]

'Nuff said..

It's interesting...something FINALLY passed Land Rover as the worst vehicle on the road. Those pricey rides have held last place in quality for a good long time.

Well I guess that's it then..Kia's officially of my list...(and I was sooo close..).

I almost forgot about greggyc. I wonder if he hangs out on the mb site with a caddy in his avatar? C'mon Bob..... those Kias are hot little rides. Just keep a roll of duct tape handy (glove box) to keep her together. I enjoyed BBFisher's informative post. Thanks for posting that Mike.

[danbuc]

I wouldn't worry about this guy at all.....soon enough, that 203 he's got will break, and he'll go bankrupt trying to fix it. If anyone want's to make an example out of Mercedes, they can just use the 220 chassis. It's what tarnished their reputation in the past few years. They had numerous problems with poor build quality, and electrical, and mechanical malfunctions. They've also had some trouble with the 112 engines throwing rods and stuff as well.

We have a C320 (203) in the shop at my school, and I've seen what can go wrong. My teachers don't really liek to talk about the problems some of these cars have (like the 220 chassis I mentioned ), but I have heard some horror stories of problems these cars have. They are getting better, but can still be much more unreliable than a N*. A good example would be the 163 we have (ML) with abotu 800 miles on it. It has some collapsed lifters and makes a terrible grinding sound when it runs. Apparently, there was some water getting into the oil which may have caused the damage. The strange thing, is that this was not a flood vehicle, so where did the water come from?

Anyway, sorry for the random info there, but this guy is a tool, and should be called such until he stops posting, and departs for good. It's obvious that he has absolutely no knowledge about the N*, the car's they come in for that matter. What's that saying.....if you just ignore them, eventually they'll go away...? I bet that would work great on this guy.

[Regis]

This kid does not own a new Mercedes.Looks as though he has never owned a new car by his posts. He has no money. He is a troll.

Looks like Rickster hit the nail on the head.

[JasonA]

Aww, c'mon guys, I thought we decided long ago that we'd stop fueling trolls' discussions! They don't come here for us, they come here for themselves, to make themselves feel good, and stirring us up is the Mountain Dew they live on.

You know what they say about arguing with fools. From far enough away, it's hard to tell who the fool is. Let's not make it unclear who the fool is in this thread.

[Regis]

LOL

Well this fool didn't have a 6 page thread over-dramatizing the need not to change spark plugs and then make an easy job difficult. And this particular troll frequents the board under a different name in which you yourself have replied to multiple times. Now cast that stone again.