Logan Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 I would normally not tackle this job in mid December. But lately the temperture has been hitting 65-70 degrees. Perfect weather for this job. Problem: Shorted TCC solenoid causing po1860. Po1860 creates Po741. Figure 12 solid hours to do the job. 13 with burping the coolant and trans fluid etc. Plus I spent time taking pictures etc. Not a job for the weak at heart. Very involved. But either I can do it...or pay Cadillac $1200 to do it. So technically I am paying myself $100 per hour. Double check your work the next day. Even I missed a hose clamp. The 'rod' system worked great. Would even be faster if you use 2 jacks. Jack up one side a little bit. Spin loosen the nuts 1-2 inches by hand. Lower jack. Go repeat other side. Back and forth. Rack has to come down 8 inches. Tips: The cam sensor on the passenger side head should be removed. It has a bracket to protect it engine going in...but not out. One 10mm screw to remove. Post O2 sensor exhaust heat shield. Manual has you drill out riviots...and remove shield. Simply use tin snips and cut a slot. Bend part of the shield away. Then bend back when done. Save 1 hour there. Driver side engine mount has to come out. Mess with this after the rack is lowered. There are no 'wet' bolts on the side cover. So all the bolts have to be loosened slightly to get the side pan to leak in a controlled way. Have the pan 'leaking' as you drop the cradle. Fluid loss is just under 4 quarts for side pan removal. Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefank Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Logan, great job! Congratulations! Stefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 This statement makes me nervous "Not for the weak at heart". Can you elaborate on that? I am thrilled that the bolt method works! Fantastic! I was sweating using an engine hoist, removing the hood, etc... UGH.... Did you see the ISS sensor in the area? Do you think you had clearance to do the HVAC housing at 8 inches? Great job and thanks for testing your innovation! Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted December 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 This statement makes me nervous "Not for the weak at heart". Can you elaborate on that? I am thrilled that the bolt method works! Fantastic! I was sweating using an engine hoist, removing the hood, etc... UGH.... Did you see the ISS sensor in the area? Do you think you had clearance to do the HVAC housing at 8 inches? Great job and thanks for testing your innovation! Mike My HVAC is too different to compare. Most of mine is inside the cabin. "Weak at heart." It is a big job. And I was just doing the side cover. To get to the ISS....the axle has to come out...and the next big chunk of trans has to come out. If I had to do a ISS. I might consider sending the work out to a trans shop. But then again....If you want the job done right........ Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 OH NO....... I will only do this job, if I have the help and support of this board.... what am I getting myself into Your bolt method made this job much easier for me! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted December 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 "Can you do the job yourself? I would say that if you just own a basic set of tools and just do things like change your oil and plugs, you should probably stay away from it, if you are not afraid to tackle an engine overhaul yourself I would say that you should be able to do this job as well." Ray ISS post nailed it. It can be done. But you better be pretty good at wrenching and details. Problem: Post O2 sensor heat shield. As the engine is dropped...the exhaust pipe will drop with it. The aft rear O2 sensor will run into the heat shield. Service manual has you drill out the riviots...and remove the heat shield. Here is a picture of the post O2 sensor heat shield trick. Simply cut a slot...bend for clearance...then bend back when done. You can see one of the 'pink' riviots that the service manual has you drill out. Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 If this puts me into the Caddyinfo Hall of Fame.... I'll go for it! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Logan: How much weight would you estimate / guess the threaded rods are supporting? Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Definately another hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 "Can you do the job yourself? I would say that if you just own a basic set of tools and just do things like change your oil and plugs, you should probably stay away from it, if you are not afraid to tackle an engine overhaul yourself I would say that you should be able to do this job as well." Ray ISS post nailed it. It can be done. But you better be pretty good at wrenching and details. Problem: Post O2 sensor heat shield. As the engine is dropped...the exhaust pipe will drop with it. The aft rear O2 sensor will run into the heat shield. Service manual has you drill out the riviots...and remove the heat shield. Here is a picture of the post O2 sensor heat shield trick. Simply cut a slot...bend for clearance...then bend back when done. You can see one of the 'pink' riviots that the service manual has you drill out. Thanks for the tip about the rear O2 sensor. I didn't notice, does the service manual provide step by step directions for dropping the cradle? Thanks Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Logan, Congrats on a job well done! I will use this method is I ever have to change the input speed sensor. Hopefully, I won't... Did you use 4 threaded rods or 6? Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 OH NO....... I will only do this job, if I have the help and support of this board.... Mike, You WILL have our support. For my part I'll bring a keg of beer, some ice, a picnic umbrella and I'll give you half of the proceeds of the tickets I sell. Since your hands will be filthy, I'll even take the step-by-step photos. Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 OH NO....... I will only do this job, if I have the help and support of this board.... Mike, You WILL have our support. For my part I'll bring a keg of beer, some ice, a picnic umbrella and I'll give you half of the proceeds of the tickets I sell. Since your hands will be filthy, I'll even take the step-by-step photos. Regards, Warren Forget Photos, Video man! We can use my digital video camera, YouTube.com we come! Make sure you have the BEEP feature for all of the vulgarity that comes out of my mouth! I am going to rent my neighbors storage garage to do this job, so the cold weather won't be an issue, other than dragging all of my tools over... now all I need is MONEY... You know me, I'm doing the lower control arm bushings, TCC, screens, filters, HVAC case, and then immediately putting a sign on it before anything else goes... Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Warren, as long as you're bringing a keg of beer, get some bourbon or gin and I might make the trip out there... Wait, I am starting to sound like "The Fred"... Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Warren, as long as you're bringing a keg of beer, get some bourbon or gin and I might make the trip out there... Wait, I am starting to sound like "The Fred"... Definately man, I could use the help! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Warren, as long as you're bringing a keg of beer, get some bourbon or gin and I might make the trip out there... Wait, I am starting to sound like "The Fred"... Not to tempt you too much, but we could add some tonic and limes; scotch is in the cards as well. I can't imagine what a person might do with bourbon; does that disolve grease? Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Warren, as long as you're bringing a keg of beer, get some bourbon or gin and I might make the trip out there... Wait, I am starting to sound like "The Fred"... Not to tempt you too much, but we could add some tonic and limes; scotch is in the cards as well. I can't imagine what a person might do with bourbon; does that disolve grease? Regards, Warren Tonic and limes would be great! As far as dissolving the grease, I thought that's what the scotch was for.... Seriously, I'd drink the scotch too... I'm not picky. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Tonic and limes would be great! As far as dissolving the grease, I thought that's what the scotch was for.... Seriously, I'd drink the scotch too... I'm not picky. Scotch is an acquired suicide, . . . er, taste. Bourbon should be mixed, like Kool-Aid. Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Scotch is an acquired suicide, . . . er, taste. Bourbon should be mixed, like Kool-Aid. Regards, Warren Agreed - I mix bourbon with caffiene free diet coke, diet ginger ale, or water... Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Okay, too much and too far Off-Topic. My bad. Logan, GREAT post! Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 I have a hangover just thinking about this job Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Sounds like fun. Save me a lawn chair. I'll help you guys drink and watch Mike bust his knuckles and curse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Sounds like fun. Save me a lawn chair. I'll help you guys drink and watch Mike bust his knuckles and curse. Mike, Do your lawn chairs have cup holders? Jes planning ahead . . . Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Gotcha covered, I might even be able to supply some servers Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Gotcha covered, I might even be able to supply some servers Well, lately there's been some talk of a Caddy Info Meet. This could be it! BYOB? Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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