BodybyFisher Posted August 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 This code is setting everyday now it appears to set when the car is hot at all speeds and does not appear bump related. I have not looked at the connectors yet but I will.. Even with the code set, the tranny shifts harder but its still driveable but the OD (TCC) does not engage, so I am doing about 1950 RPM at 60 MPH.. Its doubtful I will take her on any long trips till its fixed... $65 PART! ARRRR! This will stop me from getting the car inspected another stressor! Kevin I plan to remove my lower control arms at the same time to have bushings pressed in. I will just remove the strut assembly on the driver side and the axle on the pass side... I would probably replace the axle seals on both sides while I am there, do you think I need a special seal tool to install the seals or can I just tap them in? I have a bottle jack and a floor jack, I was thinking that I could use two more bottle jacks and not use an engine hoist what to you think about that idea? Think 4 bottle jacks with a 12 inch drop should do the trick, I am only trying to expose the side pan, right? The input speed sensor by STANDARD is $20.79 and by ACDELCO its $64.79, hard to believe there would be such a HUGE difference in price but I would go with ACDELCO of course. Also plan to replace the side pan gasket and any filters. What do you think of my bottle jack idea? Or if I used three floor jacks as they have a wider range of motion? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 I would use the special tool to install the axle seals - you could make the tool if you had access to a lathe. The bottle jack idea would probably work - you want to support the car at the jacking pads with jack stands while you use the bottle jacks to lower the subframe. All you really need to do is lower it enough to access the transaxle side cover. I would use a pressure washer to thouroughly clean the exterior of the trans. prior to disassembly and then let it dry for a day before tearing into it. Hopefully, it is a connector but somehow, I doubt it...Was the AC Delco price through Brasingtons? Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Thanks Kevin, yes I was going to wash the outside of the tranny down with brake clean, but if you think pressure washing is ok, I have one and can do that. I actually can see the need for an engine hoist if only for safety reasons Its funny, today I drove about 15 miles, temp got up to 222 in traffic, I stopped at Home Depot for 30 minutes, got back in, drove home, NO CODE at all.... Maybe this is a connector, need to look this weekend, wouldn't that be nice... That ISS price was a quick price from Rockauto, I would try Brasington also... when the time comes. You know I have been thinking, this sensor is not really even deep in the tranny, the hardest part will be gaining access to the side pan to get at it... I believe I need to detach the intermediate steering shaft so I can drop the carriage, according to Rays directions. I need to get this thing running so I can get it inspected. I believe I would fail for a PCM code like this.. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill K Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 You might want to check into renting an engine hoist. Then you wouldnt have to trip over the bunch of bottle jacks in the garage when the jod was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Yes, I think you are right and that would happen, I am tripping over them NOW. I think I can get away with only needing it over a weekend, I really dont think this job is too bad (last famous words)... Thanks Bill Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAUL T Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Those sensors are sensitive to high powered radio signals also. Were you near any radio stations or high powered CB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Not that I know of Paul.. It set again today, I find that if I drive aggressively it is more prone to set... Thanks Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I drove the car all day today and it only set once in the morning its been fine all day. Does anyone besides me think this is a bad connection since it is intermittant? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAUL T Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I have been driving with an intermittent P056 for 4 years. I really do think it is in the connection. I have not checked mine yet. From what I have read, somehow transmission fluid gets in the plug and causes the code. I really never can tell when mine will trip. I had my shift solenoids changed and it went away for about a year then, out of the blue, it starts setting very intermittently again. Lately it has been setting more often. I guess I am going to have to trace down the plug and check the connections. Mine usually goes away after I shift into second or at a certian RPM before changing into second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Interesting, my tranny is leaking badly lately, maybe its related... I have been starting the car three times and it leaves the history category, its never been current from what I can see, it hits and goes to history... sounding intermittant to me... If the sensor was bad, I think it would HIT and stay current. I am going to look over the connectors tomorrow, time to sit with the manual.... Thanks Paul, will advise.. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I drove the car all day today and it only set once in the morning its been fine all day. Does anyone besides me think this is a bad connection since it is intermittant? Intermittant, dirty, corroded, broken wires, frayed insulation, subject to vibration, temperature sensitive are some of the conditions that are possible in any electrical circuit and the first items I investigate and eliminate as possibilities. Just for kicks, take a quick read of this one http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ut-out-now.html Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Thanks Jim for that link, it ended up being a bad ground. Interesting. Yes I will have to look for a bad connector or wire, I do believe that if the sensor was bad it would be current and it would stay.. Does that sound logical to you? Thanks Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 .... Yes I will have to look for a bad connector or wire, I do believe that if the sensor was bad it would be current and it would stay.. Does that sound logical to you? Thanks Yes, but! It could be the sensor failure is a temperature sensitive issue or a vibration induced event both of which could be intermittent. Or.... the previously mentioned wiring / connector issues. One or two hours of diagnosis and eliminating the easy-to-fix possibilities can be worth hundreds of dollars not spent on the wrong parts. Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 .... Yes I will have to look for a bad connector or wire, I do believe that if the sensor was bad it would be current and it would stay.. Does that sound logical to you? Thanks Yes, but! It could be the sensor failure is a temperature sensitive issue or a vibration induced event both of which could be intermittent. Or.... the previously mentioned wiring / connector issues. One or two hours of diagnosis and eliminating the easy-to-fix possibilities can be worth hundreds of dollars not spent on the wrong parts. Interesting, I noticed that the sensor is simply a coil of wire wrapped around a permanent magnet, maybe this is overheated windings that has or is overheating and shorting out... like my ac compressor coil did when the hub bearing when, and overheated the windings and blew the fuse... hmmmm. I need to do some reading in the manual to locate the connector and see what the resistence reading should be... I have to get my digital meter back from rollingthunder1994... Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 You could "see" what was happening if you could tap into the sensor leads with an AC voltmeter and or a freq. counter and then test drive the car and see if you could get the code while you are watching the meter. Passive magnetic devices are used in many systems. Understanding how that all works makes troubleshooting an application a straight forward deal. Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I went to the dealer today to get a price on the ISS. After they told me that they did not advise just doing the ISS, because its an INDICATION of current and/or FUTURE problems and recommended a TRANNY rebuild...... I told them... if I said, JUST DO THE SENSOR how much... he said, its a 12 hour job the price would be about $1400 but could rise based on what they find.. The service writer kept hedging that the price could rise and that the sensor could have gone bad if fluid got to it past a seal.... l said, I think the sensor is IN fluid.... luckily a tech was standing there, and he and I confirmed that it was sitting in fluid and had a brief intelligent discussion about the sensor and diagnosis and intermittants...and its removal.. It looks like a job for me at some point..... I can replace so much more for so much less...than them Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I went to the dealer today to get a price on the ISS. After they told me that they did not advise just doing the ISS, because its an INDICATION of current and/or FUTURE problems and recommended a TRANNY rebuild...... I told them... if I said, JUST DO THE SENSOR how much... he said, its a 12 hour job the price would be about $1400 but could rise based on what they find.. The service writer kept hedging that the price could rise and that the sensor could have gone bad if fluid got to it past a seal.... l said, I think the sensor is IN fluid.... luckily a tech was standing there, and he and I confirmed that it was sitting in fluid and had a brief intelligent discussion about the sensor and diagnosis and intermittants...and its removal.. It looks like a job for me at some point..... I can replace so much more for so much less...than them Isn't it disgusting on how they attempt to upsell repairs??? Are you sure it is the sensor and not the connections? Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I went to the dealer today to get a price on the ISS. After they told me that they did not advise just doing the ISS, because its an INDICATION of current and/or FUTURE problems and recommended a TRANNY rebuild...... I told them... if I said, JUST DO THE SENSOR how much... he said, its a 12 hour job the price would be about $1400 but could rise based on what they find.. The service writer kept hedging that the price could rise and that the sensor could have gone bad if fluid got to it past a seal.... l said, I think the sensor is IN fluid.... luckily a tech was standing there, and he and I confirmed that it was sitting in fluid and had a brief intelligent discussion about the sensor and diagnosis and intermittants...and its removal.. It looks like a job for me at some point..... I can replace so much more for so much less...than them Isn't it disgusting on how they attempt to upsell repairs??? Are you sure it is the sensor and not the connections? Not yet kevin, it has not come up for two days. While I think its a connector, the tech said, that the sensor causes intermittant problems when it begins to go... jhall brought up an interesting idea on another thread, that the magnet in the sensor picks up clutch material and it looses its ability to read... I will pull the plug at some point and clean both halfs with contact cleaner... I have been doing electrical work around the house (outdoor lighting, GFI sockets, soffet lighting) so I have been distracted... thanks Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Isn't it disgusting on how they attempt to upsell repairs??? It should be criminalized! But then, Mike probably presents a fresh shave and that air of confidence that goes with the affluence required to drive a high dollar car. He must be able to afford the pinch Go to the same shop in a filthy dirty 15+ year old car wearing greasy clothes and a gimme cap and see how you get treated. Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hall Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 If you've ever taken apart one of these sensors on a tranny with high miles, you'll find a bunch of fine steel dust sticking to it because these sensors are magnetic. Unfortunately, the only way to to clean it is take the sensor out and clean it with solvent. The input sensor just provides information on how fast the input shaft is rotating. This rotation should be the same as engine rpm. I would think there would be a way of generating this signal from some other source than the tranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Isn't it disgusting on how they attempt to upsell repairs??? It should be criminalized! But then, Mike probably presents a fresh shave and that air of confidence that goes with the affluence required to drive a high dollar car. He must be able to afford the pinch Go to the same shop in a filthy dirty 15+ year old car wearing greasy clothes and a gimme cap and see how you get treated. Thanks for the vote of confidence! But I went there with my denim shorts baseball shirt and sneekers, so maybe I got a LOWBALL quote... He backed off heavily from the total rebuild when I began to talk like I knew what I was talking about however and THEN he said, YEA..... We can do the sensor.... Until I said, I just priced the ISS, and I was debating doing the job myself or having him do it, he was selling me a rebuild! I think $1400 is ludicris for a $67 ISS, considering that dropping the carriage 8 inches for them is a cake walk... Was it Ian who said he had removal of the engine/tranny module down to 90 minutes? I guess he would make some cash on the ISS job.. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 "Was it Ian who said he had removal of the engine/tranny module down to 90 minutes? " Yes, I believe it was. That still boggles my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epricedright Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 "Was it Ian who said he had removal of the engine/tranny module down to 90 minutes? " Yes, I believe it was. That still boggles my mind. Wow! It takes me nearly 90 minutes to change my oil. Btw, Mike, my crystal ball says it's just your connector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 "Was it Ian who said he had removal of the engine/tranny module down to 90 minutes? " Yes, I believe it was. That still boggles my mind. Wow! It takes me nearly 90 minutes to change my oil. Btw, Mike, my crystal ball says it's just your connector. Wouldn't that be nice! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupillac Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Just wondering about any updates on your tranny sensor. My car seems to have caught that cold right now. (current topic) "Cadillac, it's not a car, it's an obsession" -W.Kingdon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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