jfkrll Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hi. Shop says I need rear shocks on my 1996 Deville; they're leaking. I love the car. It is showroom. But they say it will cost me $3,400 (in NY). On-line repair estimators verify this amount. Anyone here know any alternatives? I can't spend that kind of money on just a couple of shocks. Is it time to junk my Cadillac? Thanks for your feedback. ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Monroe makes an air shock that bolts right in and the factory air lines connect to them. Rockauto has them for about $100 each - I think Monroe's stock number is 40046 but you'll need to verify that. You will need to solder a resistor across the old harness in order to prevent the SERVICE RIDE CONTROL message from appearing on the DIC. I used a 4700 ohm resistor on my STS. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 That is total BS $3400, I don't even think the OEM struts are even available. Try $316 from Arnott, see this link http://www.arnottind...yid6_pid28.html Where are you in NY, I am on LI, if you are nearby, I can install them for you. I replaced the front and rear struts on my 96 Deville Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfkrll Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Thanks, guys. @BodybyFisher -- I am in Hauppauge. My shop said he could do a rear conversion for $1,000. Are you near Hauppauge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 HAHAHA, I am in Hauppauge!, and just finished up working on a 95 Eldorado. I dont know what he means by a rear conversion, but lets talk, I could install the Monroes or Arnotts. Send me a PM with your information! Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfkrll Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 What a coincidence that you're in Hauppauge, too! For some reason, it won't let me PM you. -- Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Russ, my mailbox was full that is why you couldnt PM me, sorry, I cleaned it out Russ, lives around the corner from me, can you guys believe that?, what a coincidence Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfkrll Posted September 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 No need to convert anything - the Monroes I described in my earlier post are a direct fit and the factory air lines hook up to them. They look just like the electronic struts but without the solenoid mounted to the lower portion of the shock. I had Arnotts on my '96 Seville and did not like them for a few reasons: 1) They are made in China 2) they had huge resistors to supress the SERVICE RIDE CONTROL message but did not provide any mounting feature for the resistor. I had to zip tie them to the suspension. 3) the contacts on the resistor plugs totted away after 2 years. They sent me replacements but they were backordered and it took about three weeks for them to arrive. Arnotts are 50% more than Monroes and I can't see how they justify the added cost. When I replaced the rear shocks on my '97 STS, I used the Monroes and fabricated my own "cheater plugs" from resistors I had on hand to supress the message on the DIC. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Monroe's it is then. We used to hear good things about Arnott, I wanted to post a link to a price, to show how crazy the $3400 price was Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Monroe's it is then. We used to hear good things about Arnott, I wanted to post a link to a price, to show how crazy the $3400 price was Once I had the original shocks removed, I saved the plug and about 6" of the shock wiring. I then soldered a 4700 ohm resistor across the leads per JimD's suggestion and then taped up the connections. I taped the individual joints and then encapsulated the resistor with electrical tape, then coated the tape with PVC pipe cement to make a waterproof seal. I then plugged the "cheater cord" into the car harness. If the car is not an ETC with the CVRSS system, you may need to experiment with the resistors. If the car you're working on has the RSS system and is not displaying the SERVICE RIDE CONTROL message, you can remove the dampener solenoid from the shock and just plug it back into the car harness and wire it up out of the way. The CVRSS on the STS was not removable from the shock but as I recall, it was removable on the '96 Seville I had. If yours is not removable, just experiment with resistors by inserting the leads intot he female connectors on the vehicle side and drive the car. Start with 4700 ohm 1/2 watt resistors and see if the message is surpressed. If it is, make the cheater cords and you're done. Removing the top nut of the shock can be a PITA. The first one was easy - I had the shock out in 10 minutes. The second one was the problem. The nut wouldn't budge and the allen socket at the top of the shaft stripped out. I tried to cut the nut off with an angle grinder but there was not enough clearance to go all the way through. The heat from the cuting allowed me to use a screwdriver to turn in the shaft to remove the nut. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfangd Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I would never consider junking my Deville because of shocks. Unless the rear end falls out lol. 3800 is highway robbery. I am also in NY. But different area. GM FAN FOREVER Nice, clean, luxury= fine automobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjb981 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 The OP's question seems pretty well sorted out -- no reason to junk the DeVille, as there are much better solutions. What a rip-off price to ask 3800!!! I do have one question @KHE: how did you find out that the Arnott shocks were made in China? It says on their webpage that they are manufactured in the USA (http://www.arnottindustries.com/about-us/). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I do have one question @KHE: how did you find out that the Arnott shocks were made in China? It says on their webpage that they are manufactured in the USA (http://www.arnottind...s.com/about-us/). When I took the Arnott shocks out of the box, "MADE IN CHINA" was stamped on the outer case of the shocks. I wanted to send them back but I already had the old shocks out at that point. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank T Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 KHE, thanks for the Info,,, I was going to replace mine with Arnoott, but not any more. I'm convertering to the A/C Delco's air shocks for an SLS and removing the solenoid from the old shocks and tie strap them up some were. I'm getting a good deal on the Delco shocks,the kit includes air lines and mounting hardware for 100.00. Wow, $3.400! highway robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 KHE, thanks for the Info,,, I was going to replace mine with Arnoott, but not any more. I'm convertering to the A/C Delco's air shocks for an SLS and removing the solenoid from the old shocks and tie strap them up some were. I'm getting a good deal on the Delco shocks,the kit includes air lines and mounting hardware for 100.00. Wow, $3.400! highway robbery. Hey Frank, where are you getting the parts and that deal? Thanks, Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank T Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Mike, Wholesale price for the kit is at a place called Rowerdink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 KHE, thanks for the Info,,, I was going to replace mine with Arnoott, but not any more. I'm convertering to the A/C Delco's air shocks for an SLS and removing the solenoid from the old shocks and tie strap them up some were. I'm getting a good deal on the Delco shocks,the kit includes air lines and mounting hardware for 100.00. Wow, $3.400! highway robbery. That is a good deal! You shouldn't need air lines - the ones on the car should plug into the new shocks. Mike, Wholesale price for the kit is at a place called Rowerdink. There is a Rowerdink in my area too. I wish I would have checked on their prices when I replaced the shocks on my STS. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Mike, Wholesale price for the kit is at a place called Rowerdink. Hey Thanks Frank Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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