BodybyFisher Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Good Point A.J. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 The seller had the gaskets replaced last year and the repair only lasted 5 weeks....Obviously something was not done properly. I spoke with the service manager at the dealership in North Carolina and he told me they Timesert all head bolt holes when a Northstar head is removed. I asked him to fax me a copy of the repair order - he said he would but I'll probably need to remind him. Correct me if im wrong...But aren't almost all repairs by Cadillac dealerships subject to a 1-year/10,000 mile Warranty? (or are warranty periods up to the dealership to decide???)...Did the guy say anything about trying to get Cadillac to fix the problem????...Maybe the seller was so fed-up with the dealership that he just wanted to get rid of the car?... If I spent $3000 on a headgasket job only to have them fail 5 weeks later I would be all kinda PO'd!! I asked the seller why he didn't take the dealer to task and he said that they kept telling him that he needed a new engine as the current one couldn't be repaired again and they wanted to charge him full price for the engine and the R&R....He was so fed up that he didn't want to put any more money into the car. I told him that the dealer was not being truthful and was attempting to cover up their mistake. I asked him why he didn't make an appointment with the GM Zone rep and he said he just didn't want to deal with it anymore. If that would have happened to me, I would have handled it in a totally different way... The unfortunate part is that the guy is probably soured on the Cadillac brand now because of the lousy dealer service. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 This is a big problem that dealers have, if they mess up, they need to fix the engine on the cuff... The damage done here is unknown, after this guy tells his friends, relatives, neighbors and work buddies...how good GM mechanics are Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdictas Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Kevin, As I read through all the posts, I kept saying to myself why isn't this covered by warranty. To AJ's point, isn't this car covered under warranty for 1 yr /12,000 miles, which ever comes first. I would press this issue with the dealer before you start this project on your own. Why should you bust your _alls if it's REALLY covered under warranty. Just my 2 cents, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted tcb Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I doubt any warranty would apply to KHE. Dealers word their warranties around legalspeak ... the warranty probably isn't transferable, if it is, they are very particular as to what level of service has been provided since the repair... did you let us diagnose the problem when the incident occurred, etc. Having said that, the dealer may participate on the warranty claim ... just trailer the STS back down to the installing dealership ... they're independantly owned franchises, and a Michigan dealer probably won't rectify a possible mistake caused by another dealership. The original owner should've towed her into the dealership, and sat down in the owner's office to work out a mutually acceptable solution. 1989 FWD Fleetwood, Silver 1995 STS Crimson Pearl on Black leather 1997 STS Diamond White 1999 STS Crimson Pearl 2001 STS Silver 2003 STS, Crimson Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I have no intention of tangling with the dealer for the reasons ted tcb stated. I'm just going to fix it up and drive it. I got the car at a good price and will still be way ahead after all I complete all the repairs. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epricedright Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I have no intention of tangling with the dealer for the reasons ted tcb stated. I'm just going to fix it up and drive it. I got the car at a good price and will still be way ahead after all I complete all the repairs. Kevin, I thought you were gonna fix it up and sell it? That nice huh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 The jury is still out on that issue... The only thing I do not like is the sunroof reduces the headroom by 2" and I constantly hit my head on the headliner - even with the seat all the way down and tilted back. If I decide to sell it, I will drive it for a month or two just to make sure there are no issues. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeal1892 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 HEHE I knew you'd end up keeping it. Its hard to let go of something like that. And money wise your still ahead I bet. I still hope to see some picutres of her. Michael - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Here's my attempt to attach a picture - We stoped at a rest area just into Virginia on I-77 on the way home. I removed the rear cam cover today to check the head bolts - 9 out of 10 were loose....I could not remove one near cylinder #7 - it appears the Timesert has pulled from the block. I was going to attempt the repair with the engine in the car but after today....I am going to pull the engine. Hard to imagine how the Timeserts could have pulled but if they did, I'll need to install Bigserts. I want to get the engine out of the car and torn down by Wednesday so I can order parts. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Very small photo, is this a Matchbox car? Come on Kevin, I am over 40 I can't believe that bolts were loose! You are a patient guy Kevin, if I found a disaster of a job, I would have the local rep look at it so that he sees how crappy the mechanic that did that job is... That is inexcusable. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeal1892 Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Very small photo, is this a Matchbox car? Come on Kevin, I am over 40 I can't believe that bolts were loose! You are a patient guy Kevin, if I found a disaster of a job, I would have the local rep look at it so that he sees how crappy the mechanic that did that job is... That is inexcusable. HEHE, But from what I can see it was looking great then ! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Very small photo, is this a Matchbox car? Come on Kevin, I am over 40 I can't believe that bolts were loose! You are a patient guy Kevin, if I found a disaster of a job, I would have the local rep look at it so that he sees how crappy the mechanic that did that job is... That is inexcusable. Yeah - the picture is to small for my eyes too. I had to reduce the picture so the board software would post it. When I get some time, I'll work on the pictures. If I paid for the initial repair and it failed, I would definitely get the zone rep involved but since I didn't, I am not about to go that route - I just want to get it repaired and back on the road in the next week or two. Besides, my wife wants her SLS back in the garage. I got my Fleetwood out of storage yesterday - it is just like having a new car each spring. I need to line up an engine hoist - I think a guy at work has one that I can borrow. Hopefully, I can get the engine ready to pull Monday night after work and then pull it Tuesday evening. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Sounds like you are moving right along, good luck with it Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeal1892 Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 I'm gald to hear its coming along ! Michael - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 how hard is it to pull the engine from the top? the tranny stays in the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted April 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 I'll let you know after I get the engine out. The trans. stays in the car. The top method is the alternate method in the service manual - the preferred method is to drop it out from the bottom but I don't have that capability in my garage. I need to fabricate the flexplate lock tool to keep #1 at top dead center - that will be my project for tonight. I'll then begin the 64 step process for engine removal. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Kevin, I think this photo was taken by Barry94 if I recall, I saved it a long time ago. I wanted you to see how he handled the AC compressor with the tranny in the car, note tranny in lower right corner, Mike If you want to email me that full size photo of your car, I will size it and post it for you, Mike Better yet, how's this? She's a beauty! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted April 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 That's how I am going to handle the compressor when I remove the engine. The car looks a lot better since I got it home - it is all polished up, waxed, and the carpets have been cleaned. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeal1892 Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Looks great !!! Michael- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dloch Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 That is how mine looked with the engine out. I left the AC Compressor in the car, although I did replace it before re installing the engine again. I would suggest that you replace the HVAC cover, here is the pn and price I paid at P & G Chevrolet 52491785, $64.83. I have a 97 STS as well. I also have the original engine out of it that needs to be timeserted. I have a complete list of parts that I bought if you are interested. The only problem I had taking out from the top was the exhaust pipe bolts and a couple of bolts for support brakets that go from the engine to the transmission. After what I went through changing my blower motor I would consider that as well. Good luck and let the games begin. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Very good suggestion! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dloch Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 BTW while I had the motor out I also changed the torque converter. I know we have had threads on this one before but I can tell you it really wakes the car up. I put in a converter with a 3000 stall but had I known then what I know now I would have gone to a 3300 or a 3500 since these motors really don't start pulling hard until about 3500. We may want to start another thread about the R & R and repairs so it will be easier to follow. To bad Bbob isn't posting since he was a wealth of information about everything about the N*. If you haven't taken one of these apart you will be amazed at the lenghts they went to make this a world class motor. I was very impressed. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeal1892 Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Yea, Take care of any other issues you can while your in there by all means ! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted April 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I'll start a new thread on the engine R&R later today. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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