alvarado626 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 hi yes i did cut off the two white wires with an orange insulation coming from the lock Now according to my key #13 i should have 750 ohms Resistance or Do i have to double my values to 1500 Ohms Having the two wires disconnected from the harness? http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 And Yes i do Have codes#B 2750 and B2711 Nothing More Nothing Less Thank u Guys For Ur Advise and Ur Time http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 If you cut the wires off the lock and used a 1500 Ohm resistor, and your car is programmed to expect 1500 Ohms, you are done. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Göran W Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 You wrote "the horn honked on its own"! This must be a loose wire in the steeringwheel/column or cables being jamd. Go back and duobbelcheck everything in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 My Car Its Programmed to expect 7500 Ohms Im Going to take the steering wheel off again and double check Every Single wire Thx Guys http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Ok I Just Took Off Everything on the Steering wheel Yesterday i checked every single wire also double check ignition switch Turn signal and wiper Switch horn Wires went thru every wire couldn't find a wrong thing I Checked Wires Harness and base nothing tried to start up the car still the same it just crank Guess I Have no Options but the Dealer Thank u Guys ............ http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 If this were the security system you would not crank Have you checked the connection near the coils to see if the power is connected, just for fun? Have you confirmed spark? Have you put a fuel pressure gage on to check the fuel pressure when the key is turned on? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Yes I do Have Spark fuel is at 50 psi more or less thx Fisher http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Read out the OBD codes and post them here. See link in my signature block for how. You begin by using the A/C buttons <Off> and <Pass Warmer> together for several seconds until everything on the digital dash lights up, then release and watch the driver display. Get a pen and paper before you start. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 As Jim noted pull the codes again. It is good that you are getting fuel pressure and that you have spark Check to see if your CAM sensor plug and crank sensor plugs are connected You need to check to see if the injectors are getting power, It is common for breakers and fuses to corrode, have you checked the IGN fuses and breakers for white or green corrosion and tested the fuses and breakers for continuity? We have had a no start condition recently be related to a corroded fuse. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Ok Fisher I'll Do That Right Now Thank u Sir. http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 PCM P1631 H Theft Deterrent Start Enable Signal Not Correct IPC B1552 H Keep Alive Memory (KAM) Error IPC B2711 C PASSKey Open/Shorted Pellet After Good Key IPC B2750 C PASSKey Data Communication Failure ACM B1341 H Air Mix Door Two Movement Fault SDM B1147 H Driver Side Air Bag System Malfunction SDM B1148 H Passenger Side Air Bag System Malfunction SDM B1159 H Loss of Serial Data-Key Not Received SDM B1160 H Loss of Serial Data - VIN Not Received SDM B1161 H Lamp Circuit Failure SDM B1163 H Loss of Serial Data-No Lamp Response SDM U1255 H Class 2 Communication Malfunction (Serial Data Line Malfunction) SDM B1327 H Vehicle system voltage below 9.0 volts TCS C1255 H EBCM Internal Malfunction PZM B1552 H Keep Alive Memory (KAM) Error PZM B1558 H BCM EPROM Checksum Error PZM U1255 H Class 2 Communication Malfunction (Serial Data Line Malfunction) IRC U1255 H Class 2 Communication Malfunction (Serial Data Line Malfunction) IRC U1064 H Loss of Communications with DIM IRC U1096 H Loss of Communications with IPC NO RFA CODES MSM B0856 H +5 Volt Reference Out of Range MSM B1982 H Device Power Circuit High NO MMM CODES http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 The CAM and Crank Plug sensors r Connected and yes i do have power in the injectors I'll check all the fuses and breakers front and back side to side I' let u Guys Know Thx http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Ok with Ignition on i only get power in one side of one the plug see picture all others there no power with ignition on http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Göran W Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 The 2 current codes (2711 + 2750) says you don´t have a conection from the key. Guess one of the 2 white wires from the "pellet" isn´t conected or the soldered resistance is burned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 well idk cuz up in the cluster Plug i do have the same resistance as the Key 7500 Ohms http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 This is your problem. Ill see what else I can find. DTC P1631 Theft Deterrent Start Enable Signal NotCorrect Circuit Description This test checks for mismatchedpasswords between the IPC and PCM. Whenever the IPC or PCM are replaced, atheft learn procedure must be followed in order for the new password to belearned. Conditions for Running the DTC Vehicle Anti-Theft system enabled. Conditions for Setting the DTC Fuel disable lockout set. An incorrect fuel continue password has been received. Action Taken When the DTC Sets The Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) will not illuminate. No message will be displayed. Conditions for Clearing the DTC A History DTC will clear after forty consecutive warm-up cycles with no failures of any non-emission related diagnostic test. A Last Test Failed (current) DTC will clear when the diagnostic runs and does not fail. Use a scan tool to clear DTCs. Interrupting PCM battery voltage may or may not clear DTCs. This practice is not recommended. Refer to Clearing Diagnostic Trouble Codes in PCM Description and Operation. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Have you disconnected the battery to remove the codes to see if it will start if the codes are deleted? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 This might be helpful DTC B2710 PASSKey Open/Shorted Key Pellet Circuit Description When an ignition key is insertedinto the ignition switch, the terminals located in the steering column lockcylinder contact the key pellet resistor on the ignition key. The IPC measuresthe resistance of the key pellet and then measures the resistance to the onestored in the IPCs memory. Conditions for Setting the DTC The DTC will set under the followingconditions: B2710 indicates that an open or zero resistance value was measured from the key pellet prior to obtaining a valid resistance measurement. B2711 indicates that an open or zero resistance value was measured from the key pellet following a valid resistance measurement. Action Taken When the DTC Sets When DTC B2710 is set current the IPC displays the STARTING DISABLED, REMOVE IGNITION KEY message on the driver message center and prevents the vehicle from starting. When DTC B2711 is set current the IPC displays the THEFT SYSTEM PROBLEM, CAR MAY NOT RESTART message on the driver message center and allows the vehicle to continue to run. Diagnostic Aids Inspect for intermittent opens, shorts, or looseconnections in CKT 1073 (WHT/BLK) or CKT 1074 (PPL/WHT). Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Here is the B2710 Diagnostic Chart, save the photo to your hard drive and open it, and see if you can enlarge it, if not, Ill find another way to get it to you Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Yes I Already have it in a File and Printed it so i can follow it step by step I Check it up first in the morning I Was Thinking is it Possible to cut off the white/black and purple /white wires from the cluster plug and run a new wires down to the same colored wires at the harness base Soldered and shrink tubing http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I would look at that chart and do any testing that I could and go from there. I personally have never had this problem, a few members may be able to help you and I hope they see this an chime in Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 1-Ok these r my readings with the key in the ignition switch back of Cluster Plug i Got same value as the key the plug not being connected to cluster 2-With cluster plug connected i got 2.04 3-w/out key and cluster plug in place i got 2.80 I dont Think theres a Problem with wires going to cluster cuz i do get a 7500 value reading in back of cluster w/out plug in Theres any way to check for IPM to PCM Problems Thank u Hope u guys Have a Wonderful Holiday Weekend !!!!!!!!! http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I Meant IPC AND PCM http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarado626 Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/Passkey_Troubleshooting.pdf http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68098095/DTC-B-PASSKey-OpenShorted-Key-Pellet-Resistance http://online2.statefarm.com/b2c/sf/agent/75/3902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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