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I was forced to replace my tires today as I had found a bulge in the sidewall yesterday the size of an apple :o Didn't make my 100K goal but I did get 86,600 out of those XW4's. Anyway I wound up putting Michelin Symetry's on. If anyone is in the market for tires and is looking for Michelins they are giving a $50 rebate til Aug. if you buy 4 tires. NTB is matching that rebate with anothere $50 and Discount tire will beat anyones price once they confirm it, albeit not by much but they do have free rotation, free balance with each rotation, free flat repair, free road hazard (same as flat repair I think). I was out the door for a tad over $400. Just thought I'd let you guys know. Happy motoring!

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I was forced to replace my tires today as I had found a bulge in the sidewall yesterday the size of an apple Didn't make my 100K goal but I did get 86,600 out of those XW4's. Anyway I wound up putting Michelin Symetry's on. If anyone is in the market for tires and is looking for Michelins they are giving a $50 rebate til Aug. if you buy 4 tires. NTB is matching that rebate with anothere $50 and Discount tire will beat anyones price once they confirm it, albeit not by much but they do have free rotation, free balance with each rotation, free flat repair, free road hazard (same as flat repair I think). I was out the door for a tad over $400. Just thought I'd let you guys know. Happy motoring

I do not want to upset you but Michelin Symmetry's got very poor customer rating (please check out tirerack.com). But... you know your experience may be different. Good luck!

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The xw4 was a great tire it sure had a smooth ride. I think you can still get them but they are old stock that is flaoting around good you went with the symetry's they are also a good riding tire i had a set on a 95 deville and they had a good ride and handled good to boot. The xw4's were michelins best riding tire ever I was even told that by a michelin rep. He mentioned he was sorry to see them go.

It good you choose the symetry tires if you would have a problem down the road with the xw4 you would play hell finding another tire..

Too bad you didn't make your goal of 100k

Cheers

Jim

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Michelin is  a French owned company.  Enough said.

Burekv, I know we have gone head to head over Michelin being French in the past, but since we last talked I have become anti-French also :angry: . Just wanted to let you know that I no longer drink French wine, only California and Australian wines! Mike

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Scotty. Ya gotta try some of the wines comming out of the Okanogan here in B.C. Canada. Oh ya.... were pretty good neighbours as well.

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Scotty. Ya gotta try some of the wines comming out of the Okanogan here in B.C. Canada. Oh ya.... were pretty good neighbours as well.

Will do Rickster! Thanks

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Michelin is a French owned company. Enough said.

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Burekv, I know we have gone head to head over Michelin being French in the past, but since we last talked I have become anti-French also . Just wanted to let you know that I no longer drink French wine, only California and Australian wines!

:lol: Mike, how about Cadillac? It is a French last name, you know. Should we rename it , say Adallak? :D How about Chevrolet Cavalier? Do you know all californian wines have French origine (literally roots)? Where did the ideals of liberty and equality come from? Not from French? Comonnnn guys... Larry Grandolfo enjoy your new Michelins!

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How about "Camero" as in Chevy. It's French for "friend." I use Jacomo de Jacomo, paris, eau de toilette. Is this French or just sounds French? :blink: It smells mighty nice.

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Well I'm not fond of anything FROG (french)and have been this way Looong before 911 I always try to purchase American made things but lately the US makers are not being loyal to the US customer base so I figure F them. It is every man for themselfs so to speak Jobs are going by the way side as I'm typing this US companies sending jobs oversea India ,China, etc. Cutting jobs in the US I'm glad I work for an american company if this sh-- does not change we are all in for a bunch of BS Hey not getting political but vote in November!! It is getting to be the Land of the Haves and Have Nots..

Cheers

Jim

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Burekv, I know we have gone head to head over Michelin being French in the past, but since we last talked I have become anti-French also . Just wanted to let you know that I no longer drink French wine, only California and Australian wines!

:lol: Mike, how about Cadillac? It is a French last name, you know. Should we rename it , say Adallak? :D How about Chevrolet Cavalier? Do you know all californian wines have French origine (literally roots)? Where did the ideals of liberty and equality come from? Not from French? Comonnnn guys... Larry Grandolfo enjoy your new Michelins!

adallak, you are missing burekv and my discussions from about 2 years ago where I was very much upset by his want to boycott Michelin. As you may or may not know, I am a BIG fan of Michelin and was upset by burekv's stance on Michelin. My wife actually remembers how upset I was. NOW two years later, after watching how France has acted I feel differently.

I want to say also that because its related to my and my family's safety, I will buy the best tire, which in my humble opinion is Michelin Hydroedge. However when it comes to consumables that are easily replaced such as WINE, although I was once a FRENCH WINE ONLY person, I now have looked elsewhere.

Politics and Religion are NEVER a good thing to discuss. However, did you see the news just this morning how FRANCE has begun to REFUSE visas if they think you are arrogant, they should look in the mirror. Listen I am not really happy buying Chinese products either but that's another story. Mike

PS: the french names Cadillac/Cavalier and California wines are not earning France any income. If you don't think the world needs a united front against terrorism, well thats another story, but then again France is becoming an islamic state very fast from what I understand so maybe that is the ROOT of their stance.

Early on sailors navigated by the stars at night and the North star became the symbol for finding ones way home. Once you know where the Northstar is you can point your ship in the right direction to get home. So the star became a symbol for finding ones way home or more symbolically even finding ones path in life.

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Mike,

poitics and particularly religion has been something what devided people for centuries causing most terrible and longlasting wars in the history. Shall one discuss it? Well, if one wants to avoid aggrevation one probably better to stay off that topics. As about the united front against terrorism... how to unite every country - that's the question. Refusing buying some goods will not help much IMO.

France is not neither proislamik, nor projuish, nor proamerican. It is profrench and will remain that way like we or not. As the arrogance is concerned.. you are absolutely right - let them look in the mirror (though some of us should do the same as well) :D

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Michelin trivia.

I live in Nova Scotia, Canada.

Michelin has three tire manufacturing plants here in Nova Scotia.

Not all the money spent on michelin tires goes to France. We get to keep quite a bit of it here. (Wages, supplies, Vehicles, Computers, etc)

Barry

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Michelin trivia.

I live in Nova Scotia, Canada.

Michelin has three tire manufacturing plants here in Nova Scotia.

Not all the money spent on michelin tires goes to France.  We get to keep quite a bit of it here. (Wages, supplies, Vehicles, Computers, etc)

Barry

Plus there are factories in the US that employ US workers.

I had written a long response, that I decided was ranting and decided not to post it.

If I come across as arrogant I am sorry, I will try not to do so.

Politics is a terribly dirty game. All I can say is this, we need to project proper Ethics and Morals to regain the world's respect that we lost getting BJs in the oval office, lying under oath, and having affairs "because HE COULD"... We became a laughing stock to the world... Do as I say don't do as I do. Lots of damage has been done that needs to be repaired. Our own politians are asking for the UN to monitor the free election process that we are trying to introduce around the world, imagine that? ETHICS and MORALS above all else!!! Mike

Early on sailors navigated by the stars at night and the North star became the symbol for finding ones way home. Once you know where the Northstar is you can point your ship in the right direction to get home. So the star became a symbol for finding ones way home or more symbolically even finding ones path in life.

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Looking at the list Im guilty of buying bfg tires my favoite nothing else but not on purpose. Somehow I cant really blame the french and germans much for not wanting another war and to seek peace instead. Wars have a different meaning when fought in your own yard. Mike

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We are shooting ourself in the foot. The well lobbied BOZO'S of BOTH camps are playing right into the NEW style WAR that is upon us. It seems to me that the American economy is like the DOT COM boom, an economy of false appearances. The economic ballast (manufacturing) that we USED to have is being replaced by service sector jobs. The GDP is around $10 trillion, of which about 1% is agriculture, maybe 24% industry, the rest is service, and most of this is financial speculation. Basically the USA is a Corporation, and dollars, strictly speaking, are it's shares. The value of a corporation's shares is directly proportional to the profitability of the enterprise. When a corporation is just a service provider and doesn't produce any durable goods, the value of it's shares (Our Dollar) depends on it's credibility. How are we doing in the World today? This "New style War" is aimed right at our economy. By provoking deficit spending of up to 5 or so years of our GDP, our credibility is at risk. If we lose our credibility, we lose it all.

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We are shooting ourself in the foot. The well lobbied BOZO'S of BOTH camps are playing right into the NEW style WAR that is upon us. It seems to me that the American economy is like the DOT COM boom, an economy of false appearances. The economic ballast (manufacturing) that we USED to have is being replaced by service sector jobs. The GDP is around $10 trillion, of which about 1% is agriculture, maybe 24% industry, the rest is service, and most of this is financial speculation. Basically the USA is a Corporation, and dollars, strictly speaking, are it's shares. The value of a corporation's shares is directly proportional to the profitability of the enterprise. When a corporation is just a service provider and doesn't produce any durable goods, the value of it's shares (Our Dollar) depends on it's credibility. How are we doing in the World today? This "New style War" is aimed right at our economy. By provoking deficit spending of up to 5 or so years of our GDP, our credibility is at risk. If we lose our credibility, we lose it all.

Beautifully said! How may I ask did China start manufacturing so much for us, does anyone know? Was it NAFTA, Clinton courting the Chinese or something else? Everything you see is made in China while our own go without jobs, odd huh. How did that begin that we purchase goods from a communist country? Is it only me that doesnt understand that, why aren't the politiians answering that question? Democrats are quick to blame Bush for the outflow of jobs and manufacturing but how did it happen, who allowed it, and how do we stop it? While it is great that we can buy things cheaply, at what cost to us?

Early on sailors navigated by the stars at night and the North star became the symbol for finding ones way home. Once you know where the Northstar is you can point your ship in the right direction to get home. So the star became a symbol for finding ones way home or more symbolically even finding ones path in life.

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Larry, great list. We should do a poll, how many former Peugeots has anyone owned? Maybe me, with 2 (i will give double credit for Citroen's, ha). Ok, it was the 70's and I actually rebuilt one of the motors (a 505 turbo diesel). Fabulous suspensions, the worse the road the faster you went, the better the ride and control, esp if the road was not paved. Would not bottom out. My father's Taurus would go over this one dip and hit bottom at modest speed. The older Peugeot (504 diesel - ok, i learned to drive fast in really slow cars), i could get the speed up and have all 4 wheels off the ground and it would not bottom out, never lost composure.

Well, I have forgotten why I started this, I think the foie gras and Dom Perignon have gotten taken the edge off whatever it was I was thinking. Vive le Cadillac (or should that be 'la' ?).

The frogs made really good suspensions cause they have really bad roads, I understand. Of course the old Citroen 2cv was designed to be able to put a wire basket of eggs on the seat, drive the car through a plowed field, and have all eggs intact at the end of the test.

Oddly, no mention of 300 hrs wot on a dynometer.

95 etc, 140k - wot's daily

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