Kanne Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) Hi I am doing a total rebuild on my 1955 331 cui engine. During that work I saw, that there were some shims placed under the rocker arm assembly. They do not look like something original, and I wondered if they have to be installed again, when mounting the rocker arm assembly to the cylinder heads. What are they good for? I can only see, that they are making the distance between the valve lifter and the rocker arm longer? Could that longer distance cause problems with the valve lifters (they are all new by the way). If I remove these shims, could that result in a too short distance between the valve lifter and the rocker arm, and how do I check, that I have the correct distance? I hope my English writing is understandable, and that someone can tell me what to do. Looking forward to some assistance. Best regards Per Kanne Denmark Edited June 2, 2019 by Kanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Hi Kanne, @Kanne Your English is perfect. My parents actually owned a 55 Fleetwood with a 331 ci engine when I was a child we went across the country in it in 1964, I think that this thread may shed some light on your shim issue. Let us know how we can help, See this http://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=149020.0 Bruce Nunnally 1 Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanne Posted June 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 20 hours ago, BodybyFisher said: Hi Kanne, @Kanne Your English is perfect. My parents actually owned a 55 Fleetwood with a 331 ci engine when I was a child we went across the country in it in 1964, I think that this thread may shed some light on your shim issue. Let us know how we can help, See this http://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=149020.0 Hi again. Thank´s a lot for the link. I have read it, at it make sense for me. I will try to install the rocker arms without the shims, and see how it looks regarding the length of the pushrods, clearance and preload on the valve lifters. Thank´s again. Regards, Per Bruce Nunnally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 @Kanne. Sounds like a good plan. Be sure to check the clearance when hot also as the pushrod will change in length Do you have a 55 service manual? Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Per, This problem would be eliminated with adjustable rocker arms. See this https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/stude-adjustable-rocker-arms-as-used-for-early-cadillac-v8-engines-331-etc.1093340/ Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanne Posted June 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, BodybyFisher said: @Kanne. Sounds like a good plan. Be sure to check the clearance when hot also as the pushrod will change in length Do you have a 55 service manual? Yes I do, but I haven´t seen anything related to that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kanne said: Yes I do, but I haven´t seen anything related to that issue. It seems that it is related to non adjustable rocker arms so shims are used to get proper clearance. This is no doubt the reason for the Studebaker adjustable rocker arms. Kanne 1 Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 @Kanne. Hi Per, what is the status, hows it going? Mike Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanne Posted June 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Hi Mike At first (a couple of weeks ago) before I actually started this thread, we installed new valve lifters and mounted the rocker arms with the shims. (because they were there when we disassembled the motor) At first start-up of the engine it made a terrible noise, and we stopped the motor. One push rod had popped out of the lifter and it was bend. We checked the liftes, and found out, that (although they were new) the had were much "slack" at the top piston, where the push rod is placed. We then purchased a new set of lifters from a different manufacturer (Elgin), and they looked much better, (a different construction). We installed the new lifters, replaced the bended push rod, and installed the rocker arms without the shims. Now the motor is running as good as ever. Also when it is warm. So I think we should have left out the shims in the first place. It seem like the engine rebuild is going to be a success. Thanks for all the help. Best regards Per Bruce Nunnally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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