BrunoBrazil Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I am having an intermitent problem with my 96 eldorado vin y northstar.Sometimes it does not start and i was using a jumping wire on the relay starter to conect the red and purple wire with the keys on and always i had it started.2 days ago after a regular driving i parked the Eldo and it refused to crank in the morning even with the jumping wire, all i got its just the click .I got the lights on the dash,climate control,radio,etc(they go out when i turn it on).2 Days now and still nothing. I cleaned the battery connectors ,replaced the starter relay(i checked and it got juice on the red one),tried jump cables but nothing...Any sugestions?It seems like my lock key cylinder was replaced before(doesnt look original)but like i said im getting juice in the starter relay therefore i think theres nothing wrong with it. Is my next step the starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBrazil Posted August 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I am having an intermitent problem with my 96 eldorado vin y northstar.Sometimes it does not start and i was using a jumping wire on the relay starter to conect the red and purple wire with the keys on and always i had it started.2 days ago after a regular driving i parked the Eldo and it refused to crank in the morning even with the jumping wire, all i got its just the click .I got the lights on the dash,climate control,radio,etc(they go out when i turn it on).2 Days now and still nothing. I cleaned the battery connectors ,replaced the starter relay(i checked and it got juice on the red one),tried jump cables but nothing...Any sugestions?It seems like my lock key cylinder was replaced before(doesnt look original)but like i said im getting juice in the starter relay therefore i think theres nothing wrong with it. Is my next step the starter? Help.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Why the jumper wire? Did you ever determine why it did not start without the jumper wire Did you take the positive cable apart and clean inside? You are asking us to help you, with no background, do you have the prior thread? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBrazil Posted August 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Why the jumper wire? Did you ever determine why it did not start without the jumper wire Did you take the positive cable apart and clean inside? You are asking us to help you, with no background, do you have the prior thread? No i never determined what was the cause but researched and found the jump could do the trick so i did...and replaced the relay starter...however the problem came back...not cranking just clicks...thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Why the jumper wire? Did you ever determine why it did not start without the jumper wire Did you take the positive cable apart and clean inside? You are asking us to help you, with no background, do you have the prior thread? No i never determined what was the cause but researched and found the jump could do the trick so i did...and replaced the relay starter...however the problem came back...not cranking just clicks...thanks. Have you taken the positive cable apart? The positive cable combines two cables with a lead lug between them, it must be clean and tight when the bolt is tightened. Have you determined if you have a bad starter solenoid? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBrazil Posted August 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Why the jumper wire? Did you ever determine why it did not start without the jumper wire Did you take the positive cable apart and clean inside? You are asking us to help you, with no background, do you have the prior thread? No i never determined what was the cause but researched and found the jump could do the trick so i did...and replaced the relay starter...however the problem came back...not cranking just clicks...thanks. Have you taken the positive cable apart? The positive cable combines two cables with a lead lug between them, it must be clean and tight when the bolt is tightened. Have you determined if you have a bad starter solenoid? yes it was taken appart earlier today...No mechanic is schedule to replace starter tomorrow by8:00am...should i try just the solenoid or the whole thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Why the jumper wire? Did you ever determine why it did not start without the jumper wire Did you take the positive cable apart and clean inside? You are asking us to help you, with no background, do you have the prior thread? No i never determined what was the cause but researched and found the jump could do the trick so i did...and replaced the relay starter...however the problem came back...not cranking just clicks...thanks. Have you taken the positive cable apart? The positive cable combines two cables with a lead lug between them, it must be clean and tight when the bolt is tightened. Have you determined if you have a bad starter solenoid? yes it was taken appart earlier today...No mechanic is schedule to replace starter tomorrow by8:00am...should i try just the solenoid or the whole thing? Well typically clicking means that the solenoid is not making contact to turn the starter, the electro-magnet in the solenoid is engaging but the contacts are burnt. If you are having a mechanic do the job, he probably wont change the solenoid alone. If the starter is old, the brushes and bushings will need replacing, so in that case replacing the entire starter would make sense. The Northstar starter lasts a long time because of its location, it stays cooler. Just make sure he uses a good replacement starter, some rebuilts are garbage.... Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Thus sure sounds like a battery cable problem to me. When I had a bad battery cable several years ago, I did have one mechanic that had studiously avoided cleaning a badly corroded positive terminal talk to me about a new starter. I changed the cable and never had any more problems. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Thus sure sounds like a battery cable problem to me. When I had a bad battery cable several years ago, I did have one mechanic that had studiously avoided cleaning a badly corroded positive terminal talk to me about a new starter. I changed the cable and never had any more problems. true, also could be a bad battery, was it load tested Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 My money is on the battery or cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBrazil Posted August 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Thanks guys,I will take battery out first thing tomorrow morning to test n buy all new battery cables before moving on with the $189.00 new starter which I purchased already...mechanic is a good friend of mine but not a northstar specialist tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I would not buy new cables without inspecting them. If they are corroded and corrosion has worked it's way under the insulation, then by all means replace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Thanks guys,I will take battery out first thing tomorrow morning to test n buy all new battery cables before moving on with the $189.00 new starter which I purchased already...mechanic is a good friend of mine but not a northstar specialist tho... Not necessary to buy the cables, if you have not tested the battery, that is the second thing to do after you clean the cables for future reference Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBrazil Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 just got the starter replaced ...she started right up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 just got the starter replaced ...she started right up... It was probably the starter solenoid, thanks Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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