PC is crashing...what to do?

[epricedright]

I am trying to get the video card ALONE, if you move it, it will pair up with something else, by disabling IEEE1394 and moving the network card, you will leave the video card alone on its own IRQ.

I understand exactly what you're trying to do. Just to clarify, are you saying move the network card from slot 3 to slot 5, and leave the video card where it is?

I misread. I thought before you said to move the video card. My bad!

[BodybyFisher]

Yes, I said to move the network card to the open slot, that will probably cause your network card to share an IRQ with something else. But by doing that, and by disabling IEEE1394, the video card should be all by itself.

[epricedright]

No good. The ethernet went to IRQ11, but checked video, was worse. Clicked on properties to the 1394 card in the Resources by Type (IRQ) screen and it showed the 1394 card working and enabled, but on the Device by Type screen, it showed the red X (disabled), which is where I disabled it before. So I disabled it in the Resouces by type screen (IRQ). Tested the video, still stuttering. I also disabled the Floppy in that IRQ screen. Video still bad. I then rebooted, video still bad (both Media Player and DVD player). Checked the IRQ, now the ethernet is back on 3 with the video card. The ethernet has a #2 after it now too in the IRQ screen.

While in the IRQ screen, when I click on properties of the video card, it says the location is: PCI bus 1, device 5, function 0. The ethernet card location is PCI slot 3 (PCI bus 0, device 8, function 0). Just thought I'd add that.

The Disk Detector is showing up in the taskbar now. So what were doing seems to affect the startup items possibly.

[BodybyFisher]

I believe this is where your problem is, I would do some thinking about this, it will be a trial and error procedure from this point. consider even moving the Creative Live. You need to find the best combination of sharing. I do know this, having your video card and your network card on the same IRQ will not cut it, I am sure that is your problem.

[epricedright]

I believe this is where your problem is, I would do some thinking about this, it will be a trial and error procedure from this point. consider even moving the Creative Live. You need to find the best combination of sharing. I do know this, having your video card and your network card on the same IRQ will not cut it, I am sure that is your problem.

Can the IRQ assignment be changed in some other way? BIOS perhaps?

Check this site out.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314068

In my IRQ screen, (ISA) 9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.

Read the last paragraph too. I am NOT going to reinstall windows, by no means whatsoever. It will be just a printer hub or boat anchor before I go through that crap again.

The old video card worked before in that same slot and I imagine that same IRQ. Maybe this card is too much for this POS system? I sure like the dual monitors though.

[The Fred]

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I wish I could get a look at your bios settings..

I bet there is some way to fix this from the bios.

[BodybyFisher]

First, diagnosing computers in this medium is virtually impossible. Last night when you put your network card in the free slot what happened, you said, your video got worse. When you moved the network card, what happened, what IRQs were shared at that point? These are important things to know. You just said, video was worse and moved it back, not good, I needed to know at that point what was sharing to be able to fix it.. Everytime a move it made you need to look at the IRQ list and post it. We dont know what that open slot is as far as its IRQ.

What I would do is this, draw a diagram of where all your cards are, pull them all, and use just your video card and see how it performs. If the video card is not performing all by itself on its own IRQ that would tell you something. The Creative Live card can be a resouce hog, with only 15 IRQs, my machine has 23 IRQs, so those sharing problems are not as critical and they share nicely together. On the older machines they dont share nicely together. What you need to do is do a diagram of your machine, placing a card in each slow preferrably the network card and see what IRQ each slot is. You need to get your video card by itself and see how it performs.

I was talking to Regis, he said you should post your process list. Post that when you get a chance. I am not sure how to do that, but you should post your process list.

[The Fred]

First, diagnosing computers in this medium is virtually impossible. Last night when you put your network card in the free slot what happened, you said, your video got worse. When you moved the network card, what happened, what IRQs were shared at that point? These are important things to know. You just said, video was worse and moved it back, not good, I needed to know at that point what was sharing to be able to fix it.. Everytime a move it made you need to look at the IRQ list and post it. We dont know what that open slot is as far as its IRQ.

What I would do is this, draw a diagram of where all your cards are, pull them all, and use just your video card and see how it performs. If the video card is not performing all by itself on its own IRQ that would tell you something. The Creative Live card can be a resouce hog, with only 15 IRQs, my machine has 23 IRQs, so those sharing problems are not as critical and they share nicely together. On the older machines they dont share nicely together. What you need to do is do a diagram of your machine, placing a card in each slow preferrably the network card and see what IRQ each slot is. You need to get your video card by itself and see how it performs.

I was talking to Regis, he said you should post your process list. Post that when you get a chance. I am not sure how to do that, but you should post your process list.

He could just post a screenshot of task manager

[BodybyFisher]

good point, but he will need two shots as the process list is long

[epricedright]

First, diagnosing computers in this medium is virtually impossible. Last night when you put your network card in the free slot what happened, you said, your video got worse. When you moved the network card, what happened, what IRQs were shared at that point? These are important things to know. You just said, video was worse and moved it back, not good, I needed to know at that point what was sharing to be able to fix it.. Everytime a move it made you need to look at the IRQ list and post it. We dont know what that open slot is as far as its IRQ.

What I would do is this, draw a diagram of where all your cards are, pull them all, and use just your video card and see how it performs. If the video card is not performing all by itself on its own IRQ that would tell you something. The Creative Live card can be a resouce hog, with only 15 IRQs, my machine has 23 IRQs, so those sharing problems are not as critical and they share nicely together. On the older machines they dont share nicely together. What you need to do is do a diagram of your machine, placing a card in each slow preferrably the network card and see what IRQ each slot is. You need to get your video card by itself and see how it performs.

I was talking to Regis, he said you should post your process list. Post that when you get a chance. I am not sure how to do that, but you should post your process list.

Mike. please reread my post. Here it is again:

No good. The ethernet went to IRQ11, but checked video, was worse. Clicked on properties to the 1394 card in the Resources by Type (IRQ) screen and it showed the 1394 card working and enabled, but on the Device by Type screen, it showed the red X (disabled), which is where I disabled it before. So I disabled it in the Resouces by type screen (IRQ). Tested the video, still stuttering. I also disabled the Floppy in that IRQ screen. Video still bad. I then rebooted, video still bad (both Media Player and DVD player). Checked the IRQ, now the ethernet is back on 3 with the video card. The ethernet has a #2 after it now too in the IRQ screen.

While in the IRQ screen, when I click on properties of the video card, it says the location is: PCI bus 1, device 5, function 0. The ethernet card location is PCI slot 3 (PCI bus 0, device 8, function 0). Just thought I'd add that.

The Disk Detector is showing up in the taskbar now. So what were doing seems to affect the startup items possibly.

Btw, when I refer to IRQ screen, that's the resources by type IRQ screen.

Let me reword what I said above. After moving the network (ethernet) card to the open slot, the network card's IRQ went to 11. All the other IRQ's stayed the same. I checked the video, it was still bad...worse actually. I then noticed the 1394 IEEE card was enabled in the IRQ screen, although it showed it disabled in the device by type screen, so I disabled the 1394 in the IRQ screen, at that point the 1394 was no longer present in IRQ screen, and was shown disabled in the device by type screen. I checked the video again, still bad. I then rebooted, the network card then somehow jumped back to IRQ3. In other words, the network card was originally in IRQ3, then after moving it to the open slot 5, it went to IRQ11, then after rebooting, it went BACK to IRQ3. I never did move the card back to it's original slot (2). It's still in slot 5, the slot that was originally open. All the other IRQ's were always the same, they never changed. So now the video and network card are still sharing IRQ3. The 1394 IEEE card is not showing up now as sharing IRQ3, as a matter of fact, it's not showing up at all in the IRQ screen after disabling it in the IRQ screen. I hope that makes sense.

Btw, what is a process list?

Here is what I think is going on (keep in mind, I don't squat about this), but it appears the PCI slots are not assigned specific IRQ's. The system assigns the IRQ to the device by device type. So no matter what PCI slot the device is in, it will have the same IRQ. That would explain why the network card went from IRQ3 to IRQ11 after moving it, then after rebooting it went back to IRQ3. Is that not the case?

[BodybyFisher]

When you moved the network card, was the video by itself at that point on IRQ3?

Is there ON BOARD IEEE1394, did the computer come with it? I think the Creative Live has IEEE1394, is that the IEEE1394 you are disabling. My question is, do you have two sources of IEEE1394

When the network card was moved, it was on IRQ 11, what was it sharing with at that point to make matters worse?

The network card not sharing well can also tax your system. This is where your problem is I believe, you need to make notes and move stuff around until you get a good sharing going on, and that includes moving the Creative Live.

One way to confirm this is to remove ALL cards except your video card. See how video is, if it is GOOD, put the network card in, if it causes problems, move the network card till the video is OK, and so on and so on...

[The Fred]

To see the processes list presst CTRL+ALT+DEL select TASK MANAGER and hit the PROCESSES tab..

Also you can resize the process window and you should be able to see all of them,

And for quicker access to task manager you can right click your task bar and select task manager

EPRICE - Where do you live?

[BodybyFisher]

Just for the hell of it here is my IRQ listing:

[epricedright]

When you moved the network card, was the video by itself at that point on IRQ3?

Is there ON BOARD IEEE1394, did the computer come with it? I think the Creative Live has IEEE1394, is that the IEEE1394 you are disabling. My question is, do you have two sources of IEEE1394

When the network card was moved, it was on IRQ 11, what was it sharing with at that point to make matters worse?

Btw, I edited my last post.

When I first moved the network card, the video was sharing IRQ3 with the IEEE 1394 card, even though it was disabled in the device by type screen. At that point, the network card went to IRQ11. I then disabled the 1394 via the IRQ screen. I'm not sure if I checked at that point if the video was by itself on IRQ3. Come to think of it, I think it was by itself...not 100% certain though. But I did check the video and it was still stuttering. After rebooting, the network card went back to IRQ3 with the video card.

Apparently disabling a device in the "device by type" screen does not disable it in the IRQ screen. I noticed that with the floppy as well. The Floppy was showing up in the IRQ screen as enabled, but was disabled in the "device by type screen".

I just edited the last sentence in post #185 to say: "that would explain why the network card went from IRQ3 to IRQ11 after moving it, then after rebooting it went back to IRQ3. Is that not the case?" I typed video card instead of network card before.

[epricedright]

When you moved the network card, was the video by itself at that point on IRQ3?

Is there ON BOARD IEEE1394, did the computer come with it? I think the Creative Live has IEEE1394, is that the IEEE1394 you are disabling. My question is, do you have two sources of IEEE1394

When the network card was moved, it was on IRQ 11, what was it sharing with at that point to make matters worse?

The network card not sharing well can also tax your system. This is where your problem is I believe, you need to make notes and move stuff around until you get a good sharing going on, and that includes moving the Creative Live.

One way to confirm this is to remove ALL cards except your video card. See how video is, if it is GOOD, put the network card in, if it causes problems, move the network card till the video is OK, and so on and so on...

Yes, the pc came with IEEE 1394, 2 plugs in the rear on the 1394 card and 2 up front. The sound card does not have 1394 as far as I know. I didn't install any 1394 plugs. So I'm pretty certain I have only one source of IEEE 1394.

[BodybyFisher]

I need to think about this. I think the Audigy is the first LIVE card to come with firewire 1394. Ill be back later

[epricedright]

To see the processes list presst CTRL+ALT+DEL select TASK MANAGER and hit the PROCESSES tab..

Also you can resize the process window and you should be able to see all of them,

And for quicker access to task manager you can right click your task bar and select task manager

EPRICE - Where do you live?

Fred, can you pm me your email so I can send you these screenshots to post here for me. I don't have a photo bucket set up yet, and really don't want to mess w/ that right now. Thanks

[The Fred]

I need to think about this. I think the Audigy is the first LIVE card to come with firewire 1394. Ill be back later

Audigy cards are a nightmare

[The Fred]

[BodybyFisher]

I need to think about this. I think the Audigy is the first LIVE card to come with firewire 1394. Ill be back later

Audigy cards are a nightmare

Audigy 1 is, the Audigy 2 is awesome

[The Fred]

I need to think about this. I think the Audigy is the first LIVE card to come with firewire 1394. Ill be back later

Audigy cards are a nightmare

Audigy 1 is, the Audigy 2 is awesome

I actually meant the Audigy 2

[epricedright]

Thanks The Fred!

Btw, in case any one is wondering, WinPatrol.exe is the last item on the processes list.

[The Fred]

Thanks The Fred!

Btw, in case any one is wondering, WinPatrol.exe is the last item on the processes list.

Where do you live ?

[BodybyFisher]

It looks like you are using a USB printer, if it is not disabled, disable the parallel printer port in the BIOS, IRQ7 might be freed to be used. The reason you got worse performance when you swapped the network card is because it was on IRQ11 with the modem and USB port. What components do you have that are USB? How many slots do you have in total. It looks like 4 plus AGP (modem, network, creative, open, and an AGP slot).

What video card did you have? make and model?

I think the network card is the problem.

What was the result of pulling all of the cards out and running with just a video card? That would tell a lot.

1) I would swap the Creative LIVE and the network card and see what happens.

Leave in place, report result here, and then we will move from there. You need to get everything sharing better

Make notes, so that you know where everything started out...

[The Fred]

Expand the +System Devices and give me a screenshot of that please