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Hello,

I´ve a problem with my ´95 Eldorado TC.

I think after a brake pad change (rotors are new at the last winter), is´t a howling sound from 40 mls/h till 70 mls/h.

Now, we have change these pad a second one, clean all brake parts and install a new bearing hub.

We think it´s these right bearing.... Nothing....

Now, I think, if the car are hot, the sound is quiter thank the cold car

and the sound are not quiter or noisier if I drive curves.

I think its the axle, because its the only part which

we not change.

Anyone an idea ??

Thanks for all...

Frank

PS: At the brake pad change we install a new oil cooler with lines and

remove/install the plastic radiator cover... Can these cover or another

plastic/metal cover viberate an make these howling sound ?

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Are you positive its the brakes? Have you checked all of the accessories? Alternator bearing, AC hub, idler pulley, tensioner pulley, etc

Also check the backing plate at the wheel, I have seen them bent, and create noise, but I dont think it would be speed related

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Hello,

I´m not shure if is the brakes, but the sound was after the brakepad and oilcooler installation.

The sound is at 40 mls/h (deeper) till 70 mls/h (higher) at any rpm...

The Alternator bearing, AC hub, idler pulley, tensioner pulley are my meaning rpm depending.

If I drive 60 mls/h (for example) the sound is the same in D or N position (with difference rpm).

Frank

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If I get you right, RPMs changes the sound, correct?

Then if that is the case, I doubt its the brakes

Id look at accessories, maybe they removed the alternator to get at the oil cooler and didnt tighten up the area

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Excuse me, my english is not so good...

The howling sound is in the right front end.

It is from 40 mls/h till 70 mls/h.

If I drive 60 mls/h (with howling sound) and I shift from "D" to "N", the engine runing idle and the sound is the same.

It comes not from the engine, because the sound are not different after idle change.

In curves is the sound the same at this speed.

We makes the following works:

- Front brake pads

- Brake fluid with bleeding

- Right bearing hub

- Oil cooler

- Oil cooler lines

I don´t know what it is, because it´s after the brake pad change.

The problem is the long delivery time from the parts to germany

and that is the reason why I order a new right front axle.

Any other idea ?

Frank

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Hmmm, so they replaced the axle?

I hope that they did not dislodge the inner CV joint in the process

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Om my first 2006 DTS...I had a strange sound that started at about 60/70 mph.

It sounded almost like air horns on a big truck...just not as loud.

The sound would vary with speed but not with RPM.

It turned out to be the rubber strip on the bottom of the hood that seals across the top of the radiator vibrating against the top of the radiator.

Dealer replaced the rubber strip and I never had any more problem like that.

One other thing I would check and DOUBLE CHECK....

Look at the brake backing plates on the inside of the rotors.

Make "SURE" that they are not touching anything.

I have seen brake backing plates do exactly what you are talking about.

Good luck and keep us informed of what is going on...

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Hmmm, so they replaced the axle?

I hope that they did not dislodge the inner CV joint in the process

Mike,

The way I read it...he "HAS NOT" replaced the axle...yet.

He has ordered an axle...but does not yet have it in hand.

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Good catch Jim, but he did replace the hub bearing, hopefully the CV joint was not dislodged when that was done.

I see your brake backing plate suggestion, I suggested that also above, maybe the wind is pushing it toward the rotor at a certain speed? The backing plate is part of the hub bearing job, its held by the hub bearing bolts...if I recall

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Good catch Jim, but he did replace the hub bearing, hopefully the CV joint was not dislodged when that was done.

I see your brake backing plate suggestion, I suggested that also above, maybe the wind is pushing it toward the rotor at a certain speed?

The backing plate is part of the hub bearing job, its held by the hub bearing bolts...if I recall

Yep...that's what I was thinking... :)

It would be fairly easy to not have it positioned correctly.

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Hello all,

we change the hub bearing in a hope it was the sound generator ;-)

Nothing, the sound is the same.

the next delivery from RockAuto (monday) are axle, brake master cylinder and

front brake repair kit.

We have change the brake pads and bleed the system because the Eldo´s brakes are very bad.

Now after this we hear the sound. Then we find that the master cylinder is damaged.

I hope the sound was gone if I clear and grease the brakes at thuesday and install a new master cylinder.

Thanks

With beste wishes from hot Germamy

Frank

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Hello all,

we change the hub bearing in a hope it was the sound generator ;-)

Nothing, the sound is the same.

the next delivery from RockAuto (monday) are axle, brake master cylinder and

front brake repair kit.

We have change the brake pads and bleed the system because the Eldo´s brakes are very bad.

Now after this we hear the sound. Then we find that the master cylinder is damaged.

I hope the sound was gone if I clear and grease the brakes at thuesday and install a new master cylinder.

Thanks

With beste wishes from hot Germamy

Frank

When you put it back together...

Pay special attention to the brake backing plate...

And make sure the inner CV joint does not get damaged.

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Hello all,

we change the hub bearing in a hope it was the sound generator ;-)

Nothing, the sound is the same.

the next delivery from RockAuto (monday) are axle, brake master cylinder and

front brake repair kit.

We have change the brake pads and bleed the system because the Eldo´s brakes are very bad.

Now after this we hear the sound. Then we find that the master cylinder is damaged.

I hope the sound was gone if I clear and grease the brakes at thuesday and install a new master cylinder.

Thanks

With beste wishes from hot Germamy

Frank

Frank, if you don't have a factory service manual let me know, I will scan some photos for you, Mike

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Frank, if you don't have a factory service manual let me know, I will scan some photos for you, Mike

Hello Mike,

that was very nice, because I´ve an old manual from my ´92 Eldo...

Thanks Frank

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Well if you need anything specific to the 95 let me know, I have a 91, 95 and 96 manual, Mike

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Well if you need anything specific to the 95 let me know, I have a 91, 95 and 96 manual, Mike

Hello Mikes,

if the brake system from my ´95 Eldo the same as the ´92 Eldo ? Than I have the ´92 manual.

Is it another system than I need the ´95 manual for the brake and mastercylinder.

Thanks Frank

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When you are ready to do the master cylinder, Ill scan the pages for you and send them to your email address, let me know, send me a PM with your email address

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