Ran with an M3 tonight

[JasonA]

We were at a light where a 4-lane goes into 2, going out towards the county line. I was behind the M3, and it was a very early model...mid-to-late 90s probably. I waited a bit off the line and flew up behind him, trying to get him to run. He downshifted and tore off (spewing black smoke, not unlike a Northstar). I was pleased that I stayed right on him. I had the gear selector in 2, and started getting some odd noise from the passenger seat when we hit about 85 mph. Woah! Speed really builds when you're not paying attention. I quickly backed down and he did too when he noticed I did.

I think I could have outrun him in the long run...until 112 mph that is. I think he was impressed that he couldn't pull away, because even through a few lights later, he never laid into it again. What do those early model M3s run? I'm sure it was a real M3 because any lesser 3-series wouldn't have put on that good of a show.

[Scotty]

Cool Jason

[navion]

was pleased that I stayed right on him. I had the gear selector in 2, and started getting some odd noise from the passenger seat when we hit about 85 mph.

I am just wondering, is you pax seat loose? I try to comapre it to my pax seat. It usally dosen't make any noise until I am stopped, then all he)) breaks loose. The only time my pax seat made any kind of noise was about a month ago when I hit the speed limiter. She said, I mean the seat said "Why did you do that?

Any way, early on I trained my pax. seat to be quiet & just point if she sees a problem. Actually that training was in an aircraft and it has carried over into cars.

During the training, I explained that extermely loud screaming is detrimental to the task at hand. When hand flying in the soup, there are enough problems keeping the aircraft in some semblance of level flight, talking to center or approach, flying a glide slope, etc. Those situations and driving fast are not enhanced by a histerical (sp) right seat.

Anyway, I have long gotten over the feeling that I was immortal.

(remember when you were 16 and knew it all? )

I still like to drive fast when the conditions allow, & I know the road, but I will back off if the other guy starts acting stupid (er).

Be Safe & Have Fun

WOT at LEAST once a week!

Britt

[93STSpieceofcrapmoneypit]

What do those early model M3s run?

Either the S50 or S52 motor. They are 250+hp, plus those cars are fairly light. Throw a conforti chip, an intake, and an exhaust

in those M3's, and they are extremely and dangerously quick. Way to keep it real in the Caddy!! They never see us comin!

[danbuc]

Here's some spec's I found on the E36 M3. 240hp at 6000rpm. 236 lb/ft of torque at 3800rpm. Claimed 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, with a 14.3 1/4 mile, at 98mph. They only weigh about 3200 lb's though, so that accounts for most of their speed. The convertibles were a little slower. at a roll, or at highway speeds, they pull pretty hard, but are no match for the torque of the SLS. They will howerver eventually overtake you. I found this out one night, while messing around with my friend. He was in his 1995 Deville Concours, and I was in my mom's 1998 M3 convertible. He got the jump on me, but I quickly overtook him. I still didn't get very far ahead though.

[danbuc]

The only thing I never liked about launching that M3, was the traction control. It was even worse than my STS, at trying to limit wheel spin. On a sad note, that car would have been mine, if I hadn't totalled it. In all fairness, it wasn't my fault. It was winter, and those Pirelli P Zeros, had no traction, cause it was so cold outside. I took and turn, and hit a patch of ice, that had formed on the side of the road. Next thing I knew, I was facing backwards, up against a tree. Not fun, to say the least. It sure was fun to drive, when the weather was nice though.

[TDK]

Jason,

Got that passenger set - noise, vibration and occasisional loose equipment that pokes you in the shoulder too huh?

My oldest son has a 1998 M3 setup for cruising in comfort and style.

My youngest son has a Subaru WRX setup for SCCA-type races.

I don't think they have either drag raced or road-raced each other. I would hope neither would indulge in "3am road rallies" like their Dad used to do 30+ years ago.

I cranked up both their cars a bit on both straight/curvy such that both of the boys were almost crying for their respective babies. They are probably wise to not give me the keys again... <_<

In either case, those are two reasonably quick cars. The M3 might be more than a fair match for a 275hp SLS with an automatic. None the less, its always good to let the foreign steel know what's grown here.

Now...if you had a CTS-V wrapped aound you... its a whole 'nuther story. Test drove one a bit back and still lust fer it.

Here are some interesting 0-60 and 1/4 mile times:

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/art.../0-60times.html

Zero to 60 & 1/4 Miles Times

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2003 Subaru WRX 6.0, n/a

2004 Subaru WRX Sti 4.9, 13.2

1987 BMW M3 8.1 16.1

1988 BMW M3 7.1 15.4

1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6

1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9

1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3

1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9

1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0

2001 BMW M3 Coupe (U.S.) 4.8 n/a

2001 BMW M3 Convertible (U.S.) 5.4 n/a

2002 BMW M3 4.7 13.4

Cadillac

1987 Cadillac Allante 9.3 17.1

1988 Cadillac Allante 9.5 17.2

1990 Cadillac Allante 7.9 16.1

1992 Cadillac Allante 6.7 14.9

1991 Cadillac Brougham 9.4 17.1

2002 Cadillac CTS 7.2 15.4

2003 Cadillac CTS 7.0 15.5

2004 Cadillac CTS-V 5.1 13.4

2004 Cadillac CTS 3.6l 6.6 15.0

1997 Cadillac Catera 8.5 16.5

1982 Cadillac Cimarron 15.9 20.3

1985 Cadillac Cimarron V-6 9.8 17.2

1986 Cadillac Cimarron V-6 10.5 17.9

1975 Cadillac Coupe DeVille 500ci 11.9 18.1

1994 Cadillac DeVille Concours 7.8 15.8

1995 Cadillac DeVille Concours 6.9 15.2

1996 Cadillac DeVille Concours 7.2 15.4

1998 Cadillac DeVille Concours 6.9 15.1

1979 Cadillac Eldorado (Gas) 9.8 17.9

1979 Cadillac Eldorado (Diesel) 16.9 20.7

1979 Cadillac Eldorado (Turbo Diesel) 15.2 20.1

1992 Cadillac Eldorado TC 8.2 16.5

1993 Cadillac ETC 6.7 15.0

1995 Cadillac ETC 6.6 14.8

2002 Cadillac Escalade EXT 7.9 15.8

1973 Cadillac Fleetwood 472ci 10.2 17.6

1985 Cadillac Fleetwood 11.7 18.2

1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham 9.2 16.9

1993 Cadillac Fleetwood 10.0 17.5

1990 Cadillac Sedan de Ville 8.8 16.6

1976 Cadillac Seville 350ci 12.9 18.8

1977 Cadillac Seville 350ci 13.7 18.2

1980 Cadillac Seville Elegante 10.6 17.9

1981 Cadillac Seville Diesel 21.0 N/A

1986 Cadillac Seville 11.7 18.2

1991 Cadillac STS 8.6 16.6

1992 Cadillac STS 8.1 16.2

1993 Cadillac STS 7.2 15.4

1995 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7

1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7

1998 Cadillac STS 6.8 15.1

2001 Cadillac Seville STS 6.5 14.8

1986 Cadillac Touring Sedan 12.0 18.6

2004 Cadillac XLR 5.9 14.4

[danbuc]

Those WRX's can really move. This guy at my school, has one he uses as a daily driver, and it runs mid to high 11's in the 1/4. It looks pretty much stock too, except fo the outrageous window tint, and the extremely loud WOOOSH of the waste gate, on the massive turbo he has stuffed under the hood...hehe. He ran againts this other guy, with a '94 LTI Camaro, and destroyed him. I don't know what that guy in the Camaro was thinking. I would love to get my hands on a CTS-V, even just for one day. One other car that my mom also had, was he 1995 twin turbo Supra, with the six speed manual. For an import, those things would fly.

[cadillac_caddy_sts]

Those are some pretty nice cars that people at you school drive! Those WRX's are so ugly though! they maybe fast but I like to have some style to!

[JasonA]

1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6

1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3

1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9

Thanks for all the replies! I think it could have been any of these. It was definitely the body style of the photograph you posted, TDK. Is that your son's '98? I'm pretty sure this guy's car was a straight drive, so I'd say if that '96 M3 "Luxury" was a 5-speed tested, at 6.6 and 14.9, that'd be almost an exact match for my SLS. Although I haven't run the 1/4 mile in it yet, it G-tech'd at 6.7 seconds to 60. It was fun...I really wish I could have run a more "official" race with him, from a stop and in a legal venue.