67coupedeville Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Our Fleetwood arrived DOA on a tow truck yesterday afternoon. We took the starter out and took it to one place, he tested it and said it was fine. We took it for a second inspection and they said it was no good (the second place we always trust). We took the starter out of our 89 parts car, took it to the same two places and they said it was good. We put the starter in and needless to say, it did not solve our problem. We checked all the fuses and everything seems to be alright. We tried jumping the starter underneath the car with the key on, and the starter would turn over but the car would not start. I started thinking more and more about it, and I thought maybe the chip in the key had gone bad and was sending the wrong resistance to the computer and the computer was not engaging the fuel pump and the starter. I tried our spare set and still nothing. When you hit the key from the passenger compartment, there is a click up on the firewall. It seems as though the click is coming from fuses on the firewall. Is there something I am missing that would not engage the fuel pump and the starter? As always any help is appreciated. Spence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Isn't there a fuel pump relay up there somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 "Click no start" means your starter does not get enough power (ampers) from the battery. Play with contacts, if it does not help put a direct jumper to the solenoids positive terminal (3/8" thread). Exactly same thing happend to my car two years ago in the end of November. I drove with that "temporary" fix for two years. Two months ago replaced the starter because of no "start when hot". Everything seemed ok, but recently "ckick no start" returned a couple of times and yesterday I put a solid jumper right to the positive terminal of solenoid. Hopefully it will work. BE CAREFUL! I am not sure, but the jumper may bypass a couple of safety relays. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadian95sts Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 67coupedeville, Whats the battery voltage on the DIC before and during cranking, a poor battery connection could be the culprit, check and clean your battery cables, taking the time to seperate and clean BOTH the positive cables. Matt A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...BUT, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "darn...that was fun!" www.madd.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjtjwdad Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I've had issues with my Pontiac over the years with starters and the one starter issue (and that is starter drag. It occurs when trying to start the car when it's hot) is very difficult to find on a load tester. It doesen't sound like this is your issue but thought I would pass it on. From my experiences a clicking sound is either a battery (low or bad), charging system (reason the battery is low) or poor connections. Is it possible the starter selonoid is bad? Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Make sure you wire brush the starter to engine block interface, bolts, etc. and lube them with dielectric grease to assure a good ground connection. Also, as others have stated - clean the battery connections. You might also want to have the battery load tested to make sure it is good. If the above checks out, it may be possible that the wires on the ignition lock cylinder fractured and as a result, the ECM is not seeing the key pellet - no matter what key you're using. That should set a pass key code or turn on an indicator light in the information center but I am not that familiar with the '91 system. You can easily test the PASS key wires with a digital ohm-meter. Measure the resistance of the key pellet. Remove the hush panel under the dash and unplug the harness connectot that has two small white wires inside an orange jacket. It looks like modular phone wire. With the key in the ignition, measure the resistance between the pins on the ignition side of the PASS key harness - if it is close to the key pellet resistance, the lock cylinder wires are OK. If the resistance is infinite, the wires are broken at the ignition lock. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 If there is no message on the DIC (wait 3 min) the wires in ignition lock are OK. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67coupedeville Posted November 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 The starter itself does not click, it is the relays up on the firewall that are clicking. But we can jump the starter underneath the car and the starter would engage and spin the engine over. If the car is not reading the key, would it disable the fuel pump and starter? I'm going to see if it is throwing any codes due with the ignition lock. If nothing, I'm going to try out KHE's suggestion. Thanks guys. Spence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchat Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 KHE is right on the mark here. I had the same problem on my '90 Deville. The pass key entry feature will disable the starter. Search the archives for many others that posted this topic- under "Pass Key". You can put a resistor of equal value (of the key pellet)in place of the ignition switch the plug connection under the dash. Even seen instructions to do so searhing the web. Seems to be a common sitution as our Caddies get up in age! Good Luck Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Also, make sure the connections on the starter are clean, lubed with dielectric grease and tight. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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