acklac7 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Well the time has come to make another repair....Seems like maybe the right hub bearing is going out? I noticed it yesterday after doing some WOT's on the highway. Seems like the right wheel is making a chirping noise when ever I make a right turn/have the wheel at a right angle....Left turns no problem. Also, say I go over a bump, as the suspension levels out you will hear it "chirp" about 2 times. No real handling problems.....Checked for play in the wheel...Wasn't much...Anything else to check?....Im almost positive its a Hub but just wanted to double check w/you all....Thanks guys. A.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Fenwick Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Aloha, I would think that a hub bearing would be a lower pitch. More like a rumble. If you say that the wheel is at a right angle, you might check to see if anything is rubbing the tire or disk. I once had a disk rubbng on the break hose. It may pay to look around before changing the bearing. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 I agree with Ed. Doesn't sound like a bearing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acklac7 Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Ed & Larry....At first I thought it wasn't a hub....Rememberd reading about how Hubs groan....But after a brief search I found this wasn't always the case...I haven't bought the hub yet....Wanted to double check with you guys for other problem areas...I'll poke around somemore tomorrow...hopefully it's just something rubbing A.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Hmmm this sounds very familiar. Try spraying silicone on the 2 ends of the stabilizer link (looks like a long thin dog bone with joints at both ends and hangs vertically) and let it penetrate for at least a couple hours (over night if you can) and see if you still have the sound. I had a friend with an 02 Jetta with the exact same problem and same conditions. Had her do the samething and viola! Problem solved. Of course the temp fix only lasted for about a week or two then she had the stabilizer link replaced. I just keep spraying mine every now and then. "Burns" rubber " I've never considered myself to be all that conservative, but it seems the more liberal some people get the more conservative I become. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 A.J. I am chasing down a bearing problem on my 96. There is another active thread on the subject. Mine is making a howling sound so I have difficulty reconciling that with the chirping sound you discribe. I plan on removing mine tomorrow or Thursday evening. I am not going to buy the part until I have the old on off the car and can be certain that it is bad. I will post the result. Let us know how yours turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Hmmm this sounds very familiar. Try spraying silicone on the 2 ends of the stabilizer link (looks like a long thin dog bone with joints at both ends and hangs vertically) and let it penetrate for at least a couple hours (over night if you can) and see if you still have the sound. I had a friend with an 02 Jetta with the exact same problem and same conditions. Had her do the samething and viola! Problem solved. Of course the temp fix only lasted for about a week or two then she had the stabilizer link replaced. I just keep spraying mine every now and then. After some more thinking it could just be a dry ball joint. When was the last time you had them greased? "Burns" rubber " I've never considered myself to be all that conservative, but it seems the more liberal some people get the more conservative I become. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acklac7 Posted August 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 After at briefly inspecting the brake pad I took a look at the grease fitting on the tie rods.....pretty dry..The fittings on the ball joints are shot..Last time I greased them with my fingers does this mean the b.joints themselves are bad?...I do hear a groan (when stopped) when the wheel is at the maximum left/right angle... ... Kger I began to suspect something with the ball joints...Being that the sound only occurred while turning to one direction and when going over a bump...Btw I tried to grease the ball joints but for some reason the zerk didn't want to accept any grease?.....Also the chirping goes away under moderate acceleration ..And is extremely pronounced under idle speed (5-10 mph)..especially after letting off the gas...Will attempt to grease the ball joint tomorrow...The problem is definitely getting worse A.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 The zerk fittings screw out and you can replace them with new ones. Always clean them off before trying to grease them, dirt clogs the ball valve open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtDeco Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 The chirping sound may be the slide bolts that hold the caliper on. Sometimes they get old and don't slide anymore. Some thing to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinrea Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 if you are making a right turn, it would be bearings on the left side..., not the right. kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acklac7 Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Just wanted to give an update...For archival purposes....The noise turned out to be the warning bar on the brake pad hitting the rotor ...The rotor was slightly warped...Slapped a new pad on and the sound went away. A.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Just wanted to give an update...For archival purposes....The noise turned out to be the warning bar on the brake pad hitting the rotor ...The rotor was slightly warped...Slapped a new pad on and the sound went away. Those are called squeal sensors, and they are there to warn you that your brake pads are getting low. I often inform people of this sometimes little known fact when I hear the squeal in a parking lot, etc. I am surprised to see that a lot of people don't know what the squeal means. If you let it go too long the tip breaks off and the squeal stops and your next notice is metal to metal..grinding What did you do about the 'warped' rotor, was it pulsating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjayzway Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Those are called squeal sensors, and they are there to warn you that your brake pads are getting low I always thaught they were called "grasshopper clips"? Big Jay Life is too short to grow up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etcxtc Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Not another "warped" rotor issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 I'm just glad it was not a headgasket. Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Not another "warped" rotor issue... You will notice that I put the word "warped" in quotes because there is really not such thing as a warped rotor, and if there is the percentage of actually warped rotors is small. Let me say again that if your braking habits are POOR you will get pulsating. I asked you to read this technical paper http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml In that paper you will see this: "In fact every case of "warped brake disc" that I have investigated, whether on a racing car or a street car, has turned out to be friction pad material transferred unevenly to the surface of the disc. This uneven deposition results in thickness variation (TV) or run-out due to hot spotting that occurred at elevated temperatures". THAT is the reason I wrote WARPED in QUOTES because the term WARPED is NOT an accurate description. Did you notice that they said RACING CAR also? I am going to ask you again to read that article, because once you understand what is going on, you will stop breaking balls about warping. Personally I thought we got by this... Please read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Those are called squeal sensors, and they are there to warn you that your brake pads are getting low I always thaught they were called "grasshopper clips"? Big Jay The proper term is called wear indicators I have always referred to them as squeal sensors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etcxtc Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Scotty, Why do you think I put quotes around warped in my post. I was making a joke. Geez... Now that stick will come out and I'll have to make dead horse sounds again! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Scotty, Why do you think I put quotes around warped in my post. I was making a joke. Geez... Now that stick will come out and I'll have to make dead horse sounds again! Michael Oh good! Put some smiling faces in there then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etcxtc Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 By the way, I did read the article. It was very informative and I completely understand the logic, priciples, and techniques. Technology has changed as so must I. Me I control, convincing the primary driver (my wife) of them is a whole other problem. The term "warped" isn't correct at all. Frankly I think that from this point foward the term "warped" be replaced with the phase "braking surface to surface transferrence anomaly (sp)". We should be on the same page now Scotty, warp factor and all. Don't make me make no more dead horse sounds, please!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Michael, yes spatial anomoly will do just fine, even quantum singularity. I am glad you did that reading, I was pretty stunned by it myself. As long as we all understand that the term WARPED is a misnomer, and short for TRANSFER OF BRAKE MATERIAL TO THE ROTOR DUE TO OVERHEATING.... thats great... Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acklac7 Posted September 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 LOL...Sorry about the use of the word "warped" lol...Even though I've been doing my own repairs for 2-3 years now I still have alot to learn . Anyway the rotor definitely had a defined grooved ring engraved into it....From friction material I guess? Also the noise didn't always occur when braking....usually when just turning right, that’s what had me baffled.. Thought if it was brake related it would occur when I hit/released the brakes. As for pulsating...Only at a certain speed would I get a shudder/pulsating...right about 75mph....and that was it. Brakes are working fine...Still need to do the pads on the other side...However it seems as though the bolts that hold the caliper on are rusted ....sure that will be some fun....That along with the tie-rod ends should consume most of my Sunday A.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike5514 Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 When I get the "noise' I look at the pads and bend the wear indicater out of the way till the noise goes away. true Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjayzway Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Scotty, Why do you think I put quotes around warped in my post. I was making a joke. Geez... Now that stick will come out and I'll have to make dead horse sounds again! Michael Ah yeahhh? I was just making a pun, not being serious! BIG JAY Life is too short to grow up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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