gygmy Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Our car has had a problem with the traction control going off when it should not. It was suppossedly fixed under warrantty by having the wireing harness replaced. This solved the problem for about five months. Now the problem is back. I read all the past posts under "bearings" but I would just like to run this by you folks if I may. The dealer, who is a different dealer than the one who "fixed" it earlier, said that the speed sensing bearing was shot and it would cost $520 to replace. I checked out some online parts and the going price for that assembly was about $300. Just wondering if the connections could still be faulty and are these $ numbers in the ballpark? Thanks for any feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franey Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 YOU can buy a TIMKIN , FROUNT bearing made in USA, at IDIOT ZONE, for about 160.00, i compared it to dealer DELPHI, UNIT made in INDIA WHICh was considerably more. Quality was ever bit as good if not better than the GM unit. I replaced both frount at same time , a friend of mine helped me and total time to replace both was an hour and ten minutes . This was not our first RODEO , and we had a rack and power tools which helped a bunch. Not one problem since. You can go into your onboard diagnostics and get the code and it will tell you which sensor unit has gone bad . START at getting code , and see what you are dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjayzway Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 I checked out some online parts and the going price for that assembly was about $300. Just wondering if the connections could still be faulty and are these $ numbers in the ballpark? The price seems around what it should be. It is a fairly simple job, and can be done without going to a shop. The old ones will be tuff to get out, and you may have to hammer on them pretty good to get them out? Big Jay Life is too short to grow up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motor_car Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 The prices mentioned are about right, it's a pricey bearing. RR is an ok driveway job but you need a socket and cheater bar for the axle nut. Check the manual for torque specs, the numbers are not so high you'd expect. I got my bearing from the dealer's parts counter for C$180 last year. I cheated, of course, I printed the page from Rockauto, i think it was and told them that i take the part, listed C$425 if they match the online price. The man never asked about dollar conversion, shipping, customs fee or the 2-3wks waiting...He seemed just happy to unload the stock! ( their cost is probably less than a Happy Meal). Worth a stab... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonA Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 I don't think our wheel bearings are "speed sensing" are they? There is a toothed wheel on the hub that the ABS sensor reads. I believe this is how the computer reads the speed of each wheel. I believe the bearing is just a standard FWD style wheel bearing (but I could be wrong). Jason(2001 STS, White Diamond) "When you turn your car on...does it return the favor?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadian95sts Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 I don't think our wheel bearings are "speed sensing" are they? There is a toothed wheel on the hub that the ABS sensor reads. I believe this is how the computer reads the speed of each wheel. I believe the bearing is just a standard FWD style wheel bearing (but I could be wrong). I know both my 95 STS and 97 STS front wheel bearings are a sealed unit which includes the wheel speed sensor for each side. Its a pain in the but if you have a bad sensor and want to get rid of the "Traction" Or "ABS" lights. I paid C$295.oo at the dealer a few weeks ago for mine. Matt A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...BUT, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "darn...that was fun!" www.madd.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franey Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 Before you do anything , have you checked the codes for what is exactly wroung, a lot of things will set the TRACTION CONTROL, besides the wheel speed sensor in the wheel bearing hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gygmy Posted August 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Thanks for all the feedack. We took the RV to a jazz fest this past weekend so I could not get back to you all till now. There was an antique car parade at the festival and Cadillac was well represented. There was a mint 59 Eldo. What a tank! Spaceship styling convertable, what a fun summer cruiser oozer. Anyway we had the dealer replace the worn bearing and were ready to pick it up today. Guess what? The new bearing did not fix the problem when the mechanic took it for a test drive. They are going to replace that bearing with a new one on the chance the replacement was faulty. If it is not the bearing what else could cause the traction control to engage when it is obviously not needed. Wiring harness maybe? I do not want to tell these guys how to do their jobs but a tactful suggestion to get them going in the right direction might not hurt. Anybody else out there have a similar problem with the traction control that was not bearing related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonA Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 I know both my 95 STS and 97 STS front wheel bearings are a sealed unit which includes the wheel speed sensor for each side. Its a pain in the but if you have a bad sensor and want to get rid of the "Traction" Or "ABS" lights. Okay, I stand corrected. I thought the little ABS sensor wheel thing was the only sensor on each wheel. Thanks. Jason(2001 STS, White Diamond) "When you turn your car on...does it return the favor?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franey Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I HAVE replaced both frount wheel bearings , I did not have the traction control light on when i did this about 7 months later it came on . THE first place i checked was frount speed sensors , per the shop manual , their is a test for this, Alson the computer will set a code for the speed sensor . The computer will also set a lot of codes for the TRACTION CONTROL AND ABS LIGHTS , IF APPLICABLE. You may have a short in the wireing from the EBTCM , TO THE SPEED SENSOR. OR YOU MAY HAVE A SHORT IN THE EBTCM . All of which will set the traction control light. HERE again their are diagnostic tests to narrow your problem down, the Cadillac dealer can do these test if you can not. O r at least they should be able to . In my case the EBTRACTION CONTROL MODULE had a n internal short in it and i had to replace it. This is not an uncommon occurance. Once i replaced it the problem was gone for good. When the light comes on it is not turning the TRACTION CONTROL ON IT is disconnecting it and dropping low gear out of the transmission sequence. You will be taking off if second gear. This is if you are having a traCTION CONTROL PROBLEM. The switch in the glove box can go bad , here again their is a test to check if the switch is bad. GOOD LUCK, this can be an expensive problem to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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