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May 2005 Car and Driver


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Kind of disappointed that the Caddy STS V-8 finished seventh out of eight cars in the May 05 Car and Driver. It was the third quickest car there and the second cheapest at $50,890 and they said it was to soft at handleing. They said there is a handling pkg but that would have put the price above the $60,000 limit. It kinda pisses me off they said that because last month they had an SUV shoot out and had a V-6 powered Volkswagon Touareg that was $46,000 which was about $12,000 more than the least expensive Nissan Pathfinder which placed second ( The Volkswagon finished fourth out of six). I mean come on maybe by having the sport pkg it would have placed better and actually been worth the extra money. It seems like every time a US automaker comes out with a good, when the car mags test them against other makes they put them at a disadvantage or dont even include them in the shootout( there was no Chevy Trailblazer or GMC Envoy in the SUV shootout) OK Im done whining now, sorry :angry:

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Sounds about right. No matter what a domestic maker puts out, it will always be inferior to an import brand. We go 'round and 'round about it on a DiamlerChrysler minivan forum re: the Honda Odyssey. It can do no harm. Transmissions fail with more regularity than in Chryslers. Front doors pop open in side impacts. It still gets 5-star ratings, and Consumer Repungents still loves it.

Jason(2001 STS, White Diamond)

"When you turn your car on...does it return the favor?"

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The year before I canceled my Car and Driver subscription I started to do tests to see if I could predict the outcome of comparisons just based on makes. I would take the list of cars that they were testing and without looking at the results I would give the rag to my wife and then I would call out the results to her. You could almost always score 100% using the following order:

1) BMW

2) Honda/Acura

3) Audi

4) Toyota/Lexus

5) Volkswagen

6) Nissan

7) Mercedes

8) Any domestic.

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Easin' down the highway in a new Cadillac,

I had a fine fox in front, I had three more in the back

ZZTOP, I'm Bad I'm Nationwide

Greg

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Aarggghhh!

Don't even get me started on Car and Driver!

The one that got me the worst was a comp. test they did a a few years ago (I'll look for the article later) where they were testing mid-size luxury sport sedans.

So, when driving the likes of a Bimmer 5 series, Benz E-class, Audi A6, etc, which Cadillac model of the time would be most comparable?

The STS of course!

Instead, C/D through a DTS against the likes of these "little" machines. They then went on to rag about how big, cumbersome, and overweight it was! :angry:

Talk about a cheap shot, eh?

On the other hand, I have found Road and Track to treat Cadillac quite well.

" ...'took my Cobra down t' the track, hitched to the back o' my Cadillac..."

- Jan & Dean, 'hey little cobra'

Scott

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Hey Guys's,

I've had 3-BMW's 540, 735, 740. Price, comfort, maintenance, performance. I have to go with my seville. Yes i had problems with it. And i did spend money for no reason at times. That was due to trial an error. Since joining this site money spent is is almost $0.00 compared to what i spent on my BMW's. Cadillac for LIFE :D

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Hey Guys's,

I've had 3-BMW's 540, 735, 740. Price, comfort, maintenance, performance. I have to go with my seville. Yes i had problems with it. And i did spend money for no reason at times. That was due to trial an error. Since joining this site money spent is is almost $0.00 compared to what i spent on my BMW's. Cadillac for LIFE :D

LOL

My love of caddies can be directly linked back to BMW and Car & Driver...

Back in the mid 90's I had drunk the C&D Coolaid and had to have a new 325IS...it was the car to have after all. The dealers in my area were so rude, unaccommodating, and honestly just plain clueless that in desperation I bought a 4 year old Allante and had about $10,000 left over.

I know it was an apples to oranges comparison but in any way you measured it (except mpg) the 90½ Allante kicked the 4 year newer 325 Bimmer's butt. And the chicks dug it too! :D

Best car I ever had, not counting my ’02 STS of course. ;)

caddy.jpg

Easin' down the highway in a new Cadillac,

I had a fine fox in front, I had three more in the back

ZZTOP, I'm Bad I'm Nationwide

Greg

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Hey Guys's,

  I've had 3-BMW's 540, 735, 740. Price, comfort, maintenance, performance. I have to go with my seville. Yes i had problems with it. And i did spend money for no reason at times. That was due to trial an error. Since joining this site money spent is is almost $0.00 compared to what i spent on my BMW's. Cadillac for LIFE :D

LOL

My love of caddies can be directly linked back to BMW and Car & Driver...

Back in the mid 90's I had drunk the C&D Coolaid and had to have a new 325IS...it was the car to have after all. The dealers in my area were so rude, unaccommodating, and honestly just plain clueless that in desperation I bought a 4 year old Allante and had about $10,000 left over.

I know it was an apples to oranges comparison but in any way you measured it (except mpg) the 90½ Allante kicked the 4 year newer 325 Bimmer's butt. And the chicks dug it too! :D

Best car I ever had, not counting my ’02 STS of course. ;)

What's Rob have to say about the "Beemers" LOL

2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong!

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My opinion....###### em all. I own a Caddy. You don't.

2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong!

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Thanks for posting that link. I love to look at old automotive magazines, and see cars of decades ago and how they compare with today. It still hasn't changed though, you're right. Import owners have big egos, and auto rags continue to stroke them. They make it obvious that the car they want to win, will win, every time.

That '90 STS had a crisp suspension, and they said that while they liked the handling (indeed, it pulled the highest G on the skidpad), the ride was harsh. Look in the chart and they gave it the worst number for ride of the bunch. Okay, fine...but somehow, it also got the worst number for handing, even though they said they liked the handling and it clearly outperformed the rest. Uh-huh. They started the STS subsection by pointing out that it was a small car. True it is. But then they proceed to dock it in points in the "room" category in the chart. That's like judging against a Cobalt because it doesn't off the room that an Impala does. What they COULD have done is judge how well each car uses the space it's designed with. But no, then the only domestic might have finished above the Mercedes and the Jag. They're shameless.

The thing I dislike most about recent Car & Driver comparisons is the "Gotta Have It" number that is included in the tally. Give me a break. Look at the recent Mustang vs. GTO comparison. The GTO beat the Ford on almost every category, except for the "Gotta Have It" number. It was like 25 vs. 17 in favor of the Ford. How many total points did the Mustang win by? 1. What a joke.

By the way, one statement of fact about the Q45 handling better than a Lexus 15 years ago results in a moderator scolding him for "subtle Lexus bashing"? That is one insecure moderator! :P

Jason(2001 STS, White Diamond)

"When you turn your car on...does it return the favor?"

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Jason, you're good!

Early on sailors navigated by the stars at night and the North star became the symbol for finding ones way home. Once you know where the Northstar is you can point your ship in the right direction to get home. So the star became a symbol for finding ones way home or more symbolically even finding ones path in life.

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Jlaw, thanks for that post, it was a treat to read.

I categorize all my Road/Track, Car&Driver, and Automobile mags, dating back to 1988.

The top stories in 88 were the new Miata, 300ZX, and anything European.

In 1991 and early 92, the buzz was all about the new STS/Eldo twins. They loved the style in 1991 previews, and considered the Northstar system to be state of the art in 1992 previews. All three mags were heavily sponsored with GM ads at the time .

By 1995 comparison tests, you were back to mid pack placing for the STS .... they called it a hot rod Cadillac, lacking in refinement to the europeans and japanese marques. Its very cyclical, but I see no new trends in ranking after 18 years. It seems to me that Cadillac could develop a continuous, perpetual motion car, and it would still place mid pack in terms of engineering

I like'd the look of the STS in that 1990 comparison ... although I'd agree that the interior/exterior of the LS400 has aged the best, and that drivetrain has proven to be very durable.

I kinda miss the 70's King of the Hill Motor Trend comparisons between the Imperial, Town Car, and Fleetwood .... back then, the Corona and 510's weren't exactly in the same class.

Anyway, thanks again for that great link!

1989 FWD Fleetwood, Silver

1995 STS Crimson Pearl on Black leather

1997 STS Diamond White

1999 STS Crimson Pearl

2001 STS Silver

2003 STS, Crimson Pearl

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