MAC Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 There is a debate going on at another site between Cadillac and Lincoln owners about which is faster. It looks like more say the Lincoln Mark VIII is faster. I find that tough to believe. Has anyone raced a Mark VIII and won? I owned an 88' Mark VII LSC. It was quick, but I think it would lose to my Eldorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadillac_caddy_sts Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Has anyone raced a Mark VIII and won? I tryed to get one to go with me but he wouldnt! he was a little old though! Defending Northstar perf a qtr mile at a time!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadillac_caddy_sts Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Has anyone raced a Mark VIII and won? I tryed to get one to go with me but he wouldnt! he was a little old though! I found these specs on a 98. 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC 0-60 7.0 1/4 Mile 15.3. Defending Northstar perf a qtr mile at a time!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuc Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Hehe, your talking about that thread over on LVC (not a big fan of that site, but I'm a member anyway). The funny thing is, that it's seems more Lincoln owners have responded, than Cadillac owners have. As far as a Mark VII vs. a Seville.....there's almost no comparison. In stock trim, I'd go with the Caddy anyday. Not a big fan of the Mark VIII, or any new Lincoln for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Hehe, your talking about that thread over on LVC (not a big fan of that site, but I'm a member anyway). The funny thing is, that it's seems more Lincoln owners have responded, than Cadillac owners have. As far as a Mark VII vs. a Seville.....there's almost no comparison. In stock trim, I'd go with the Caddy anyday. Not a big fan of the Mark VIII, or any new Lincoln for that matter. I've visited the LvC site a few times. The site appears to be dominated by Lincoln fans with just a pinch of Caddy owners for seasoning. Perhaps Lincoln owners feel they need to talk louder??? Don't get me wrong. I like the styling of Lincoln Mark(take your pick). It's a departure from the usual round bubbly body and style lines inherent in most Fords. "Burns" rubber " I've never considered myself to be all that conservative, but it seems the more liberal some people get the more conservative I become. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonA Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 MAC, have the Mark VIII owners compare PUBLISHED or DOCUMENTED (time slips) acceleration times to the published times found here: http://www.jnjhome.net/cadillac/images/caddyperf.gif Make sure to compare apples to apples. The Mark VIII is pretty much a direct competitor to the Eldorado, although the SLS/STS is pretty much identical in terms of performance. I don't have any Eldorado data on that graph because I couldn't quickly find any published numbers. But the data there comes from magazine performance tests, so it's about as reliable and repeatable as you get. I'm not familiar with magazine tests of Mark VIII vehicles, but that would be the only valid comparison...that or time slips. No Gtech times or "my buddy has a brother who has an uncle who's Mark VIII is fast"...blah, blah, blah. Anyway, you'll notice that most SLS/STS times average in the high 6s range for 0-60, and in the high 14s to about 15-flat for 1/4 mile. On average, I don't think Lincoln Mark VIII times compare favorably to that. Jason(2001 STS, White Diamond) "When you turn your car on...does it return the favor?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast95SLS Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 I raced A Lincoln MarkVII at an 1/8 mile track with my sls. We both had chips in our cars and K&N filters. He beat me twice the first night. He got better traction. The next night that we raced, I had drag radials and I beat him 3 out of 3. After I put the STS engine in my car, it didn't matter If I had the drag radials or stock tires. I would beat him either way. Definitly by more with the drag radials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted April 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I searched for Lincoln time-slips and found out that LVC has some at: http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/timeslips.php?&do=quarter However, the Lincolns’ are modified. This site does appear to be mostly for Lincoln owners; there are only 3 Cadillac times. OK, I found a time-slip for an unmodified 98' Lincoln Mark VIII LSC: http://www.dragtimes.com/Lincoln-Mark-VIII...eslip-2298.html 1/4 Mile ET: 15.310 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted April 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 danbuc, I read your post on LVC regarding "which is faster" (Lincoln v. Cadillac). Your attempt to reason with the penny lovers fell on deaf ears. They just aren't interested in a rational discussion. http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthrea...02&page=1&pp=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuc Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Yeah, if you noticed, I've been a member there for over a year, yet I've only posted about 14 times. I really hate that site. I don't even know why they have a Caddy section. I've heard very bad things about the guys who run that forum too. Stuff like how they used to harass people on other forums. I think they eventually kept getting kicked out, so they started there own forum. I've also heard that their site, was a complete rip off of Ford vs Chevy (or something like that), which isn't that hard to believe. Maybe I should go back over there, and start kicking some *smurf*. I don't give a rat's a** if I get banned, so I'll go all out. It's gonna be awesome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddyman Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 They are just pissed because they drive 40k THUNDERBIRDS! with the "inTech V8"........I think I'm gonna barf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted April 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Regarding LVC's administration, when I first became a member (MAC1) I made a few posts informing its members about Caddyinfo.com. I didn't think it would be a problem. Well, it was as my posts were removed and I was emailed by the administration that I was not to post links to competitor Cadillac sites. One email stated that sites like Caddyinfo would not want competitor sites discussed either; and went on to state that if I post competitor links on Caddyinfo its administration would likely remove them as well. I doubt it since Caddyinfo has links to other Cadillac sites, and I have seen posts with links to competitor sites and they have not been removed. At this point, I don't have a problem with LVC's administration, however, I think they are a bit too protective of their site. I'm a member of 3 Cadillac sites including LVC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustyS Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 What a fun thread! I've had the opportunity to own two Mark VIII's, three STS's and one Eldorado. I also have raced the cars. Just like Cadillacs, the Mark VIII's have a few years that are quicker than others. Northstars are allegedly the 'quickest' in 94-97, and the Mark VIII proved to be quickest late 94 through mid 96 models. Mid 95 made way for the LSC Mark VIII, with true dual exhaust and a deeper gear ratio. In mid 96, Mark VIII's were given a pollution device robbing ~10hp. Much like the 98 redesign did for the Seville, the 97 redesign of the Mark VIII added weight, aerodynamic drag, and other various 'refinements' made for a driving experience less aggressive than previous years. Although the 97-98 Mark VIII models are the more favorable years for general driving, which has also been said of the 98+ Seville, the performance was reduced. From a racing standpoint, the LD8 Northstar has a better torque curve than the Intech V8. Transmission gearing is better for racing in the 4T80E. The regular Mark VIII has 280hp 290tq w/ 3.07 axle ratio, the LSC 290hp 295tq w/ 3.27 axle; Eldo 275hp 300tq w/ 3.11 axle, ETC 300hp 295tq w/ 3.71 axle. The weights are similar. The Mark VIII can accomodate a harder launch, which can give for a jump at takeoff. Unlike the cadillac nanny systems of 2nd gear start and reduced timing, when the traction control on the Mark VIII is turned off, it really is off. Lincoln did some power robbing things, too- a vibrating two piece driveshaft that absorbed torque, soft haft shaft seals and a sloppy, slushbox transmission. As far as racing, it can become a tossup! All things considered, they are all nice vehicles! Races I've experienced: 95 STS (k&n, tps enhancer, etc.) vs 97 Mark VIII LSC (stock). STS won first, then Mark VIII was power braked causing it to win the next two times. 96 Mark VIII (modified) vs 97 Eldo (modified). Eldo took jump off the line, but Mark VIII crept back at high rpms/speeds to win by a nose at the 1/4 finish. 96 Mark VIII (modified) vs 97 Riviera SC (modified). Mark VIII won every time by substantial margain. 97 Riviera SC (modified) vs 98 Mark VIII (???). Riviera jumped, but Mark VIII won. 98 Mark VIII (???) vs 97 Eldo (modified). Eldo won. 97 Mark VIII (stock) vs 98 STS (k&n, exhaust). Close race, but STS won every time. In stock form, with good states of tune & care and year to year variances accounted, it seems both Lincoln and Cadillac have managed to make their luxomobiles see 0-60 in under 7sec and the 1/4 in 14.5-15.2sec. It all depends on the car, its condition, tires, driver, weather, etc etc. Again, they are all beautiful vehicles. The Mark VIII can be modified much easier, if looking for a dragger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuc Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Those who are curious why LVC sucks so badly, shoudl wander over to CadillacForums.com. and talk to the administrator Sal. I first became aware of the problem, when everytime I went to post a link to a self help page on LCV, the address was block, from being displayed in my post. I asked Sal about it, and he told me all about the guys that run that dump LVC. He even sent me a link to a ("most wanted" if you will)list of people who had been chronically banned from various forums, for rude comments and bad behavior. I guess the guys that own LVC got fed up, with always being kicked out, so they ripped off the idea for a forum, and decided to run it themselves. That's pretty much why I keep my *smurf* away from that forum. It's nothing but trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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