Bob D Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 These oil companies import their gas from the Mid East: >Shell............................. 205,742,000 barrels >Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil...............130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels >Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels > > >If you do the math at $50/barrel, these imports amount to over $30 BILLION! > > > >Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: > > > >Citgo......................0 barrels >Sunoco...................0 barrels >Conoco...................0 barrels >Sinclair.....................0 barrels >BP/Phillips..............0 barrels >Hess.......................0 barrels ARC0.0 >barrels > > >All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and >each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they >are importing. > > If we have a choice, maybe we can help defer where where the $$$ ultimatley goes? '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I'm confused, but that is a normal state. Are you talking about imported volume of crude dino remains, or refined by-products (gasoline)?? The difference is significant since we have been unable to increase domestic refinery capacity for 20 or 30 years (EPA regulations). Bad news when any existing refinery capacity is taken offline for routine maintenance or accident (like the incident in Texas today). Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I'm confused, but that is a normal state. Are you talking about imported volume of crude dino remains, or refined by-products (gasoline)?? The difference is significant since we have been unable to increase domestic refinery capacity for 20 or 30 years (EPA regulations). Bad news when any existing refinery capacity is taken offline for routine maintenance or accident (like the incident in Texas today). Crude. What else do you find confusing? '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 How much refined product are we importing. Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 How much refined product are we importing. Hmm...Don't have the stats for that, only the general raping that's ocuurring.. '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDK Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Bob D, Regardless of price, I think Oil is being set up to be used in the following manner: Play "keep away" from China at all costs... Use Saudi's now (as we planned and executed many years ago) Use Iraq's next (as we are now developing the infrastructure and govement) Use Iran's after that (as will happen for whatever cover reason) Save South America's for filler with other "friendies" Keep ours for while everybody else is freezing in in the dark and to finish the transition to whatever's the "replacement energy" Nuke/electric cars etc? Add power to leave problems behind. Most braking is just - poor planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Bob D, Regardless of price, I think Oil is being set up to be used in the following manner: Play "keep away" from China at all costs... Use Saudi's now (as we planned and executed many years ago) Use Iraq's next (as we are now developing the infrastructure and govement) Use Iran's after that (as will happen for whatever cover reason) Save South America's for filler with other "friendies" Keep ours for while everybody else is freezing in in the dark and to finish the transition to whatever's the "replacement energy" Nuke/electric cars etc? Well even if those theories have any validty, do we enable them even in an individual fashion, when we do have a choice? '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 We have been trying to drill ANWR to get away from these blood suckers hopefully the 3/17 vote will wake them up. 30 billion and their countries live in poverty Early on sailors navigated by the stars at night and the North star became the symbol for finding ones way home. Once you know where the Northstar is you can point your ship in the right direction to get home. So the star became a symbol for finding ones way home or more symbolically even finding ones path in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 BP and Amoco are one company now. In Michigan, all Amoco/Standard Stations are now BP stations with Amoco fuel. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronM Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Just filled up at BP! Go British Petroleum! Edit: Wait...Amaco fuel?! Darn, I though I was taking business away from the middle east. 18 Year Old Male Black 1992 STS 4.9L 90,XXX Miles Flowmaster 80 series muffler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDK Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Bob D, "Well even if those theories have any validity, do we enable them even in an individual fashion, when we do have a choice?" I have read your note over a number of time, but I can't seem to frame an good answer. I'm sorry, but I might not understand what you meant. I'll try to elaborate, but pardon my pitiful knowledge of global politics/economics: (hang on fer some more BS) The best way to marginalize OPEC - is to develop other energy than oil - and not use our oil up in the mean time. Aside from any political party's expressed view, those stated theories (a very good description BTW) have been a sort of "global eminent domain" mindset for many, many years. What leadership of this great country would want to run out of or be held hostage to - energy - on their watch? I believe that the theories have been enabled for some time and are being enabled as time goes on. Although this smacks of some grand conspiracy or whatever - it may not even be a cognizant concept - except when viewed from far away and long ago. Think about the 20% of us using the 80% of whatever - from the 80%'s viewpoint. Am I denouncing our history and plotting subversion etc - hell no. I like driving fast and a warm dry home too with lights on and everything. Do I think that someone else might want to change things - durn-tooting! "You can't see it coming - unless you think like those - who throw it at you". I suppose that I'm just concerned. Would I change anything? To repeat, I think we have been following a plan or path to use other oil for quite some time. Is it a bad plan? That might be asked and answered from political, moral, technological, etc viewpoints As I noted earlier in doomsday fashion - probably keep "our resources for last", but develop alternative technologies ASAP. ANWR can wait or we'll be eating our own seed corn - so to speak. As goofy as hybrids are now, they will get progressively better. Who can argue with gaining 1-second on the 0-60 times due to an immediate-torque electric motor for off-line boost (current news item)? Yea, I like the NorthStar snort and in fact a fuel-cell elec-cycle maker plans to include a speaker to roar like an engine (remember pinning cards to flap against the bike spokes? ) I look at energy policy as an long-term investment. As much as I hate to pay more for energy - at both home and work - we can afford to pay more (in relative terms) compared to anyone else in the world. If gas was $0.25 again - we would be pouring it out the tailpipes for rocket boost. Only the marketplace forces technology to move forward. We have a finite amount of time to execute fundamental, global energy changes to our benefit, before we don't have "as good a hand to draw to". Sorry to sorta hijack your post Add power to leave problems behind. Most braking is just - poor planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Bob D, "Well even if those theories have any validity, do we enable them even in an individual fashion, when we do have a choice?" I have read your note over a number of time, but I can't seem to frame an good answer. I'm sorry, but I might not understand what you meant. I'll try to elaborate, but pardon my pitiful knowledge of global politics/economics: (hang on fer some more BS) The best way to marginalize OPEC - is to develop other energy than oil - and not use our oil up in the mean time. Aside from any political party's expressed view, those stated theories (a very good description BTW) have been a sort of "global eminent domain" mindset for many, many years. What leadership of this great country would want to run out of or be held hostage to - energy - on their watch? I believe that the theories have been enabled for some time and are being enabled as time goes on. Although this smacks of some grand conspiracy or whatever - it may not even be a cognizant concept - except when viewed from far away and long ago. Think about the 20% of us using the 80% of whatever - from the 80%'s viewpoint. Am I denouncing our history and plotting subversion etc - hell no. I like driving fast and a warm dry home too with lights on and everything. Do I think that someone else might want to change things - durn-tooting! "You can't see it coming - unless you think like those - who throw it at you". I suppose that I'm just concerned. Would I change anything? To repeat, I think we have been following a plan or path to use other oil for quite some time. Is it a bad plan? That might be asked and answered from political, moral, technological, etc viewpoints As I noted earlier in doomsday fashion - probably keep "our resources for last", but develop alternative technologies ASAP. ANWR can wait or we'll be eating our own seed corn - so to speak. As goofy as hybrids are now, they will get progressively better. Who can argue with gaining 1-second on the 0-60 times due to an immediate-torque electric motor for off-line boost (current news item)? Yea, I like the NorthStar snort and in fact a fuel-cell elec-cycle maker plans to include a speaker to roar like an engine (remember pinning cards to flap against the bike spokes? ) I look at energy policy as an long-term investment. As much as I hate to pay more for energy - at both home and work - we can afford to pay more (in relative terms) compared to anyone else in the world. If gas was $0.25 again - we would be pouring it out the tailpipes for rocket boost. Only the marketplace forces technology to move forward. We have a finite amount of time to execute fundamental, global energy changes to our benefit, before we don't have "as good a hand to draw to". Sorry to sorta hijack your post Oh, man...where's the excederin.. Keeping it simple (my intent from the beginning..) I'm suggesting that regardless of conspiracy theories (of any type!) we can make our own decisions when we're out looking for a tank o' gas, about where the money goes. Nice and simple... '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gygmy Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 My wife puchases her gas depending on where the crude was extracted. She is also still pissed at Exxon for the oil tanker "whoops" in Alaska. I personally call Exxon/Mobil "Standard Oil" because it seems more historically correct. So far I've made my purchase decisions based on price. Maybe that will change in the near future. What is the estimated reserves in the Alaskan wildlife refuge? I've read it would supply the U.S. with a half years supply. Also would this oil go for domestic consumption or be sold abroad? Hasn't most of the oil extracted from Alaska sofar been sold abroad? How bout Venezuela's threatening not to sell us any oil if we decide to interfere in their plans to purchase 100,000 AK47's? We live in interesting times. A curse or a blessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 The best way to marginalize OPEC - is to develop other energy than oil - and not use our oil up in the mean time. Your whole premise is based on that statement. We need to DRILL ANWR, and STOP using middle east oil ABRUPTLY, when WE have control over supply and THEY stop getting CASH.....they will release our testicles and wake up quickly, its called leverage, right now we have none! I agree that conservation is important also and we have made strides, but being held hostage with no option is no good either. Early on sailors navigated by the stars at night and the North star became the symbol for finding ones way home. Once you know where the Northstar is you can point your ship in the right direction to get home. So the star became a symbol for finding ones way home or more symbolically even finding ones path in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Based on the fact that most gas in any given area come from the same terminals regardless of brand I don't think that there is any way possible to know whether you are pumping foreign or domestic "oil" into your tank. All the companies swap and trade gasoline supplies depending the infrastructure as the gas is shipped thru the same pipelines to the terminals. The terminals add the additive packages to the gasoline for the specific brands and markets...but the gas is the same many times. I understand the logic of monetarily supporting companies that purportedly do not use "foreign oil" but practically speaking the origin of the actual fuel that you pump into your tank is beyond your control or the brands control. Also, geographically, doesn't a lot of domestic crude get shipped to the orient (from Alaska) while middle eastern crude comes to the US...?? It is just more expedient to ship the oil to the closest point of use or closest refinery so where it is bought and shipped to is more dependent on that than the country of origina. Live and learn... Yep, most of the Alasakin crude goes to Japan.. I wonder if that will change with the ensuing politics.. '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hmm that's not good, guess its time to load the trunk of the Deville with DieHards. Lets talk to Guru about designing a Nuclear Turbine based Northstar, how to dispose of the radioactive by-products though? Imagine how serious a coolant leak would be? Start RUNNING! What about protecting the core in an car accident? Car accident on the turnpike takes out Boston! Cars as terrorist weapons, set the reactor to critical and park it in Times Square. All problems to be solved. I actually have a Time Magazine from 1960 and they were advertising Nuclear Welding Machines, Ill scan it when I get a chance. Yes folks Nuclear welding machines on every corner some day... Don't forget to box up that spent fuel rod and ship it in the special lead container by UPS, to your local nuclear waste collection facility. Oh don't forget to wear the special suit provided for your safety while handling spend fuel rods. I have many of the same problems with batteries! Early on sailors navigated by the stars at night and the North star became the symbol for finding ones way home. Once you know where the Northstar is you can point your ship in the right direction to get home. So the star became a symbol for finding ones way home or more symbolically even finding ones path in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted tcb Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Apparently, trying to stop the flow of $$ to terrorist countries by choosing where to buy gas is an urban phallacy or myth making the internet rounds. The phallacy is disputed using various sources on the attached link. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp 1989 FWD Fleetwood, Silver 1995 STS Crimson Pearl on Black leather 1997 STS Diamond White 1999 STS Crimson Pearl 2001 STS Silver 2003 STS, Crimson Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maremrak Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Sunoco it is then. 1960 Sedan De Ville (sold) 1970 Coupe De Ville (sold) 1987 Mazda RX-7 (sold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Sunoco it is then. '260' that is.. Ah, if only we could 'dial it' again... '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Sunoco it is then. '260' that is.. Ah, if only we could 'dial it' again... Yeah, but it would be $5 per gallon now. I have always wondered if that dial ever did anything other than change the gearing in the pump to make the price run up faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Sunoco it is then. '260' that is.. Ah, if only we could 'dial it' again... Yeah, but it would be $5 per gallon now. I have always wondered if that dial ever did anything other than change the gearing in the pump to make the price run up faster Oh, it worked...I had a car or two back in the late sixties, early seventies that would only run right on "260", or av. gas. 12.5-13:1 will do it every time... '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyG Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Based on the fact that most gas in any given area come from the same terminals regardless of brand I don't think that there is any way possible to know whether you are pumping foreign or domestic "oil" into your tank. All the companies swap and trade gasoline supplies depending the infrastructure as the gas is shipped thru the same pipelines to the terminals. The terminals add the additive packages to the gasoline for the specific brands and markets...but the gas is the same many times. I understand the logic of monetarily supporting companies that purportedly do not use "foreign oil" but practically speaking the origin of the actual fuel that you pump into your tank is beyond your control or the brands control. Also, geographically, doesn't a lot of domestic crude get shipped to the orient (from Alaska) while middle eastern crude comes to the US...?? It is just more expedient to ship the oil to the closest point of use or closest refinery so where it is bought and shipped to is more dependent on that than the country of origina. Thank you Guru for some common sense on this, it's about the third time in as many years that this has been posted on the 'net somewhere. I'm here to tell you, this "buying plan" just won't work. I work for one of the companies on the upper list, and sell gas to most of the stations on the bottom list....so it just DON'T MATTER! As to the Alaskan crude going to Japan (or soon China), so what? There are only so many barrels coming from Venezuela, Aruba, Saudi Arabia, or wherever. The demand is global and shipping it purely a matter of economics. If the needs of Japan can be supplemented by barrels from Alaska, they won't have to ship it (or compete in the market) for Saudi barrels. The biggest domestic refineries are near ocean ports, that did not happen by accident. Never underestimate the amount of a persons greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted March 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Based on the fact that most gas in any given area come from the same terminals regardless of brand I don't think that there is any way possible to know whether you are pumping foreign or domestic "oil" into your tank. All the companies swap and trade gasoline supplies depending the infrastructure as the gas is shipped thru the same pipelines to the terminals. The terminals add the additive packages to the gasoline for the specific brands and markets...but the gas is the same many times. I understand the logic of monetarily supporting companies that purportedly do not use "foreign oil" but practically speaking the origin of the actual fuel that you pump into your tank is beyond your control or the brands control. Also, geographically, doesn't a lot of domestic crude get shipped to the orient (from Alaska) while middle eastern crude comes to the US...?? It is just more expedient to ship the oil to the closest point of use or closest refinery so where it is bought and shipped to is more dependent on that than the country of origina. Thank you Guru for some common sense on this, it's about the third time in as many years that this has been posted on the 'net somewhere. I'm here to tell you, this "buying plan" just won't work. I work for one of the companies on the upper list, and sell gas to most of the stations on the bottom list....so it just DON'T MATTER! As to the Alaskan crude going to Japan (or soon China), so what? There are only so many barrels coming from Venezuela, Aruba, Saudi Arabia, or wherever. The demand is global and shipping it purely a matter of economics. If the needs of Japan can be supplemented by barrels from Alaska, they won't have to ship it (or compete in the market) for Saudi barrels. The biggest domestic refineries are near ocean ports, that did not happen by accident. That's why I threw this 'brain meal' up there Johnny. This has been all over the e-mail traffic again, and on my company's rather larger intranet. I thought perhaps all of us that are not in a related industry and therefore must lack "common sense" would perhaps receive some enlightenment. We are blessed.... '93 STS.. opened, dropped, wide...fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gygmy Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Anybody got an old Caddy diesel that cann be made to run on used deep fry oil. I always thought that would be a fun kinda car to have at the beach here, smelling of french fries and clams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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