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Procedure to turn on a/c compressor to charge with r-134

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Anybody know the procedure/trick to engage the a/c compressor to add r-134 to my system?

The converted a/c system in my 93 Deville was ice cold when I bought it in Fla. in Dec.

Now after the long winter the a/c compressor wont engage because I figure the r-134 has leaked out.

I have the connectors and r-134 to add the stuff but need the compressor to turn on to suck it into the system.

Whats the trick?


93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

Syracuse NY

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If the system is too low you should pull a vacuum first, That helps it to pull the charge.

I am not familiar with the system on your 93 to say if it can be reset, but I think not.

You can always bypass the low pressure switch and see if it engages


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Yea now its so low the comp. dont engage.  I need to know the procedure/trick to turn on compressor to suck in the 134.

93 deville.

EDIT:

I note the other a/c post so I will try that using the climate cont. buttons to turn on the compressor to suck it in.

I have a leak detector and will put the wrench to all the fitting to see if they are secure and recharge.

The PO had the system changed to r-134 a few years back.

It was cold when i bought it in Dec.

yea prob. has a leak and will test when dye and 134 added.

I do have a homemade evacuator to clear the system BTW.

Just dont know the trick to start comp.  Its buried down low.

Funny my 84 Z-28 the comp. is on top and i can jump the comp.to start and I can add 134.

(Yea its been converted too and a leaker)

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93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

Syracuse NY

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If you had a switchable relay that would work as well.

I love them. Basically a relay that has a switch in it. Easier than jumping with wires


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Still having a issue trying to clear the code to engage the a/c compressor to take a charge of r-134.

(Yea its been converted)

How do you bypass the lo-pressure switch and exactly where is it?


93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

Syracuse NY

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What code you may have a bad low pressure switch

Jump the low pressure switch plug if it is bad, I did that on my 96.  But don't run it like that, change the pressure switch asap, you do not need to depressurize the system to change it.

See my post in this thread, its a long post where I jumped the switch.  My name here is Scotty

 

 


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no help.............


93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

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16 hours ago, sonjaab said:

no help.............

Here are a couple of photos from a 91 FSM of the 4.9 AC system.  The low pressure switch appears to be along the firewall on the passenger side.

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Did you try deleting the low pressure code?

Are you evacuating the system down to -25 psi for a couple of hours to rid moisture, my shop does that to check for leaks and then allow the vacuum to draw the freon in.  The stupid little can method that does use the compressor to draw in freon won't fix a system that has become depressurized.


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Yea I used my FSM and followed inst. to delete comp. lockout code.

No luck!  Tried several times, disconnected battery.

Wasnt sure how to jump the low pressure switch.

Couldnt tell if the comp. was engaging or not.

Cant actually see the comp. engaging because its buried down underneath.

The a/c did work when I bought it in Fla. last year.

It was converted to 134.

I do have a couple of 20s of r-12

Prob gonna send it to the a/c shop.

Figured i would at least try to jump at switch to suck in the 134.


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72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

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I would just remove the plug and jump it, it is possible that the switch is bad because of moisture.  Let us know how it turns out


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Yea the place I took it to said it had some charge in it but not enuff to engage comp.

That guy does not do any repairs or diagnosis just fills.

I just couldnt figure out where the lo pressure switch was.

The FSM is sort of confusing sometimes.

So it will jump da switch and see if comp. engages.

I have had success using the small cans to recharge tho.

Just have to give it another shot......................

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93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

Syracuse NY

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The small cans are ok go sort of top off but when the system is depressurized it usually needs evacuation


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SOB!  What a dum-dum I am.

I didnt know the location of the lo pres. switch till BBF clued me in!

FSM is hard to navigate.

Anyhoo, I took off the beauty cover to get to the LPS to jump it and it was DISCONNECTED!

I figured it got missed when I had the heater core put in or I figured it was dis. because of the r-134 conversion.

Anyhoo I hooked it up and the comp. turned on and I have frigid 34 degree air out of the vents!

 

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93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

Syracuse NY

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Success!  

You know its funny one of the diagrams in the FSM I posted above shows the low pressure switch next to the drier the other near the firewall?!  🤪

What no likes or thanks icons? 😉😂I am trying to catch Bruce 😀


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Hows that?

MMmmmmm Cold a/c

Yea it was on the firewall under the beauty cover and un-plugged!

Now I can put my Z-28 on the road for summer crusin!

 

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93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

Syracuse NY

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I am glad you figured it out and also glad it hadn't leaked down to need a charge.  

Nice Z-28


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Excellent. Thanks for updating.

I have seen them in either place. 


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The 84 Z-28 Was a Va. car and had been converted to 134  when new!

The a/c did work when I got it.  But the comp. locked up so I removed the belt.

New Delco comp. $133 bucks on line.

I guess with a system flush,  evac. and a new charge of r-134 it should work again.

This car came with a set of GM t-top sun shields too.

First time I ever seen them or found a on line pic and description.

Funny there is no water valve in the heater core lines like the older Caddy, olds, etc.

Your feet still get hot!  I am gonna put a manual valve in the line in the Z-28.

Lots of glass in that car even with the shades!

The supposed heater "valve" in these 90 Caddys is a strange one too! 

Still has hot water going to the core.

My 84 and 72

 

 

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93 DeVille-13 Chevy Impala

72 GTO - 77 Triumph Bonneville

84 Z-28

Syracuse NY

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