BodybyFisher Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Yes, I wasnt sure of the name, #5 I believe is what failed on Marikas 92. Good illustration John, that's perfect, thx Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddysCadi Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 that illustration is perfecccttt thanks so much. im pretty sure thats what it is too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddysCadi Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 either #5 or #4. if its #4 what do i do? i believe thats the inlet right? i cant find a replacement online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 either #5 or #4. if its #4 what do i do? i believe thats the inlet right? i cant find a replacement online They might be dealer only items. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCadTech Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 If #5 is not available, you can remove it and see if any fabricator can repair it. We used to make gaskets, huh BBF? Rock Auto has the gasket https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/cadillac,1993,deville,4.9l+v8,1025750,cooling+system,water+inlet+gasket,10223 THERE IS ALWAYS ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB RIGHT - THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB AGAIN !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barczy01 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 The water pump inlet housing develop a little pinhole leak in the actual housing. You have to remove the timing cover to access the housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 John, I never did but my Dad made gaskets. The inlet gasket is available on rock auto as John noted. I did search and didnt find the water pump inlet anywhere even ebay. I would definately check the dealer however. As someone noted I would have the old part braised after cleaning it up. This doesnt look like a fun job at all. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Here is a technical service bulletin on the gasket http://asc-ind.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Cadillac-Water-Pump-Installation.pdf Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Ok, I called the dealer, the water pump inlet is available and it is $113. Must be paid for and ordered. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCadTech Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 The front covers are not hard to do, the hard part of the job is getting the front of the engine oil pan resealed. You will need a puller to remove the crank pulley I would recommend removing the oil pan for someone that hasn't done a front cover before. There are 4 bolts that go into the front cover at the front of the oil pan, the gasket at the front of the pan has metal "washers" to prevent over-tightening, these are removed if the oil pan is left in place when the front cover is removed. The oil pan is an easy but albeit messy job to do at home. Cleaning the old gasket off the engine block is the biggest challenge, esp at the rear main as there are 2 small studs for the pan nuts, sometimes the studs come out when the nuts are removed, that is a good thing if that happens I remove them anyway if I can get them out without a lot of effort, if they don't come out easily leave them in and clean around them. If the front cover is okay be SURE to stick the inlet gasket to the back of the cover so it can NOT move.it is a bit of a balancing act to get the inlet bolts started through the w-pump. Patience is required THERE IS ALWAYS ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB RIGHT - THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB AGAIN !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCadTech Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 A couple of other "tips" If you can, put the vehicle up in the air and remove the drain plug, let it sit overnight to allow the oil to drain into the pan. Put the drain plug back in and remove the pan. Be SURE to use silicone sealer at the 4 corners of the pan, between the 2 corner bolts at all 4 corners. The gasket technology has probably changed so if there are instructions in the gasket set, follow those instructions...... THERE IS ALWAYS ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB RIGHT - THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB AGAIN !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddysCadi Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 lol so just for fun I spoke to cadillac today and they don't carry the inlet. Can't find it on any parts sites they recommended either. Fingers crossed its just gaskets like I think it is. I have some friends, with a little more automotive experience than me, coming to help me look at everything this friday, hopefully we can find out what the root cause is so I can order parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I've had good luck finding out-of-production parts by doing a web search on the GM part number. There are a number of GM dealers that sell online and some of them may have the part in stock, and you can bring up a list of people that list that part number with a web search. Click on the links until the "Out of stock" message isn't there. Or, it may be available from an old wholesaler or odd lots warehouse and up on eBay, and the part number search will turn up an eBay listing. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 lol so just for fun I spoke to cadillac today and they don't carry the inlet. Can't find it on any parts sites they recommended either. Fingers crossed its just gaskets like I think it is. I have some friends, with a little more automotive experience than me, coming to help me look at everything this friday, hopefully we can find out what the root cause is so I can order parts I called my local dealer TODAY and they can order it, I stated that above, it is $113. The dealer name is King O'Rourke Cadillac and and their phone number is 631-982-4449. It is in fact called the Water Pump Inlet. ANY Cadillac dealer should be able to order it. If you need help with this I will go directly to the dealer for you. Hope this helps. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddysCadi Posted April 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 BBF thats really helpful, i dont know why cadillacs help line referred me to other sites... anyways, once i take everything apart we'll know for sure what she needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Let me know if you need help, I am one mile from the dealer Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCadTech Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'd JUMP all over that inlet from the dealer, Good work finding that Mike Two other tools you'll need for the job - 15 MM wrench or socket and a 45 torx bit.. 2 - 15mm head bolts on the right side of engine and the 2 torx hed bolts are under the w-pump pulley. Told ya I've slept since I did one THERE IS ALWAYS ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB RIGHT - THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE JOB AGAIN !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Don't laugh, I thought there were 4 bolts on the pulley connecting it to the pump, you remember it as 3. But I believe I was thinking of the old clutch fans that had 4 nuts. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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