billisnow Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I bought a 1999 seville sls, everything seems fine, but no lights come on the center console at night. The door switches light.. but the entire center console is dark..even the stereo & AC panel. HOWEVER..oddly enough, heated seat buttons do light, making me doubt a wiring issue. The gear indicator light do not light either. Is there a specific fuse for just this area? Any idea where to start before I take it to the shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juruiz Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Start with the fuses,if you don't you have under the back seat where the battery is too. if all check OK then maybe somone worked in the console and left a plug disconected. Wish you luck and enjoy your '99 STS like I enjoy my '99 STS. Juruiz Puerto Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 " bought a 1999 seville sls, everything seems fine, but no lights come on the center console at night. The door switches light.. but the entire center console is dark..even the stereo & AC panel. HOWEVER..oddly enough, heated seat buttons do light, making me doubt a wiring issue. " Same problem. Checked all my fuses and can't see one that is out or I don't know which one it is. If anyone has the exact location for this fuse..... Thanks Rick 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 " bought a 1999 seville sls, everything seems fine, but no lights come on the center console at night. The door switches light.. but the entire center console is dark..even the stereo & AC panel. HOWEVER..oddly enough, heated seat buttons do light, making me doubt a wiring issue. " Same problem. Checked all my fuses and can't see one that is out or I don't know which one it is. If anyone has the exact location for this fuse..... Thanks Rick I was just about to turn in for the night, after a dilly bar and one more scotch, (just picked up a bottle of the "Macallan 1841 Replica") Unbefuckenbelivable. It's like the angle piss of "Mary" herself. At $255 a bottle it better be. Anyways, I digress (again). I was thinking about this no light thingy and such and remembered what else wasn't lightin up. The lights on the shifter console and the most obvious Caddy feature, the side lights when you put on the turn signal. Same on your's Bill? It is obvious it is only a simple fuse. Someone please help us. 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billisnow Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Never looked at that... I will check and let you know. It has been raining for the last few days and I haven't messed with it. As soon as I see I post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 OK. I know this is no big issue for many, but for Bill and I this is major. Picture this if you can. Crusing down the highway with the woman, with the tunes going. Your in the mood, she's in the mood and your fumbling for freaking buttons to close the deal with just the right song. Bamm...you hit the wrong freaking button because you can't see a freaking button and who tunes in but some freak like "Larwence Welk" God be freaking jesus. Your left pulling the "pud" for the next week. Someone has to help us. I have looked over all 4 fuse boxes and can not find the burnt fuse. I will not let this thread die untill we have an answer. Thanks Rick 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billisnow Posted October 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Rick, One way or another I we will figure this out. It has to be something simple if we both have exactly the same problem. I'm going to go thru all of my fuses before the weekend.. if I cannot come up with it.. I'll start by brain picking the dealer and see if I can get something out of him. If we can't..maybe one of us can "pay for" the answer and we can split the bill or something. Everything else on this car is great.. I want this last thing right. I looked at the side lights today.. I think you are right...there is a tie in to those. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Guess you haven't heard anything yet eh Bill? Notice the "eh". I be from Kkkanada. Where it's freaking Kkkold. Now come on guy's. This isn't a tuff problem to figure out. Well maybe for Bill and I it might be. How about a little help please. 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDK Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 I don't know it this can help...but the idea may assist. When tracing a single wire through complex instrument panels, we use a "tick tracer". It imparts a volatage at a given frequency onto a wire and then a companion handheld unit is used to listen for the "tick" to trace the wire elsewhere in the panel. Can you use such a device (or a home made version) to work backwards from one of the bulbs or whatever in the console - back to the switch or power supply (that is not supplying power)? Of course, the voltages must not damage the Caddy harness or coumpter. Hope this concept helps. Add power to leave problems behind. Most braking is just - poor planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billisnow Posted October 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Rickster.... You are correct..no cornering lights here either. I read all through the manual, they are mentioned there. They are only in use when the headlights or running lights are on. It would be the same for the console lights..it must be related. I called cadillac last week about a clicking when I started it in the morning..They said it is not a problem..BUT, I could take it to a dealer, have it checked and they would give me a letter, so if it did turn into a norhtstar killer, they would take responsiblility for the damage for telling me to ignore it. So, I dropped it off there yesterday. I got a service manager that is the rudest cadillac employee (not my ususal svc writer or the svc dept mgr, both of which I know well). I asked him (pointing to the cornering lights) if those were suppose to come on. He said no they were just lenses... I said, "I read in the manual that this car has cornering lights, do you have another seville in service that a can compare it to, just to check?" He said they didn't have any. Then.. my wife remembered she had left something in the car.. I drove her back to the car..there it was parked right next to another seville. I hate that guy. I will attempt to get a hint about the cause from them. I see no fuse listed for the cornering lights anywhere.. I am going to ask if those are lights, and if so.. why they might not be working. Maybe he will point me somewhere. I saw you were in canada.. I talk often to canada because what I do for a living. I hear the "eh" all the time. Keep hope alive! Will post what I find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 I just had my fuel rail changed the other day under the recall. I got a call from the dealer yesterday to see if everything was alright. Obviously, a dealer that understands "customer satisfaction". The service manager you speak of is not a GM emplyee but the dealer employee. You should speak to the owner of the dealership personally and voice your complaints. It is his buisness that the rude employee is affecting and if he is a smart buisness man he will do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 TDK. Thanks for the input. I did drop out of nucluar science in university just before this topic came up. My loss. Thanks anyways. Bill. Absolutly there are cornering lights. The service, or lack there of, service guy you were talking with seems clueless. Do as Ranger suggest's. Talk to the manager. I can not myself find a fuse as well. I might be by the dealer later this week and will try a "freebee" on them. They have been good to me in the past. We will win this one. Go SOX Go 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billisnow Posted October 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Rick, Here is a news flash.... I don't think we have cornering lights! I went and picked up the car this AM, got my regular service writer, I asked him if it was supposed to have them. I told him it says they are there in the manual, but I don't seem to have them. (I didn't mention the console). I said I saw another 99 on the lot and asked if he could check and see if that one did. He got the keys, started it... turned on the turn signals..no cornering lights on that one either. We looked close and neither of us could see bulbs in there. I left there.. enough of this.. I drove it to the electrical guy my regular mechanic refers people to. He looked at it and said.. no bulb, and no socket either. I have no idea why. I asked him about the console.. he said he would take about an hour & $65 to tell me why they aren't working...I hope. I am taking it over there in the morning and I hope I pick it up fixed. He says it could be the radio & AC units themselves, but I can't see both having blown illumination systems..but both still working. I do have a spare ac unit. I will take it with if I find it so he can check that for sure if it gets to that. As for the cornering lights.. I can't believe no one else said they didn't have them either..but that wasn't really this issue in this thread at the start. Again, I will let you know as soon as I know anything... Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazglenn3 Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Are the cornering lights on the newer Sevilles controlled by the photo sensor on the dash? I thought I read somewhere that they only are supposed to operate in the dark. That makes more sense to me than operating all the time like they do on my 1996 car. Maybe I read it in the owners manual??? Charles Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Rick, Here is a news flash.... I don't think we have cornering lights! I went and picked up the car this AM, got my regular service writer, I asked him if it was supposed to have them. I told him it says they are there in the manual, but I don't seem to have them. (I didn't mention the console). I said I saw another 99 on the lot and asked if he could check and see if that one did. He got the keys, started it... turned on the turn signals..no cornering lights on that one either. We looked close and neither of us could see bulbs in there. I left there.. enough of this.. I drove it to the electrical guy my regular mechanic refers people to. He looked at it and said.. no bulb, and no socket either. I have no idea why. I asked him about the console.. he said he would take about an hour & $65 to tell me why they aren't working...I hope. I am taking it over there in the morning and I hope I pick it up fixed. He says it could be the radio & AC units themselves, but I can't see both having blown illumination systems..but both still working. I do have a spare ac unit. I will take it with if I find it so he can check that for sure if it gets to that. As for the cornering lights.. I can't believe no one else said they didn't have them either..but that wasn't really this issue in this thread at the start. Again, I will let you know as soon as I know anything... Bill Bill. There were cornering lights on my car that worked a while ago. I know this for sure. Maybe the SLS did not have them in 99, but I would question that. I am sure they are a standard option on any Caddy. I do beleive they are missing on the new CTS,XLR and more than likley the STS. This was one of Caddy's classic signatures. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. I will quiz the dealer next week. Rick 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximln Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Cornering lights are definately standard but they only work when the headlamp system (or parking lights) are on. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billisnow Posted November 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 I AM FIXED!!!!!!! Rick, Broke down... took it to the electrician... $150 later... cornering lights & console lights. He says (can't really buy this, but) it is fuse "50" in the manual. The same fuse as the gas cap door. He said he replaced it..it blew again.. so since I said there should also be cornering lights..his went in that direction. He found a short in the wiring on the drivers cornering light. Fixed it replaced the fuse...everything is going now. The console lights & the cornering lights ARE on the same circuit. Hope that helps. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Bill, You are a hero. I will go down this road. I can only hope it is a short drive. Thanks ever so much. Rick 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 All most a year later and my lighting problem is solved. It was just a fuse. Same one for the cornering lights, council lights, licence plate lights and engine comp. light. I had looked many times for a blown fuse but could never find one. I finnally did take it to the dealer. Service dip said "I have seen this before. Could take up to 3 hours to fix" I said BS. Spend 1/2 hour and thats it. Told him the council and cornering lights were conected somehow. He says "Nope" Those little lights in the council have to be replaced. Long story short. Mechaic found blown fuse. Changed and then lights. Service dip says "Ccouldn't fix concil lights. You might want to come back so we can take another look." What a dumb *smurf*. Driving home in the dark last night and low and behold, the council lights are working. They just won't listen to the customer. 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 About the Cornering lamps; they are powered ON through the DIMR fuse located in the rear junction box (under the rear seat cushion) according to my '98 Seville Service Manual wiring diagrams. However, the park lamp relay must be closed which means the park lamps must be ON which means the head lamps or fog lamps must be ON. My '98 Service Manual does not discriminate between SLS and STS. Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Thanks Jim. If it goes again...I know where to look. 2001 STS Mettalic Otter Grey, Black Leather, 213,000 kilometers - miles - ? Still running strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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