93SixtySpecial Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 if it ant broke leave it alone That's a dumb answer.. So...you NEVER do any maintenance on ANYTHING you own until it actually breaks??? Strange way to operate... Did I just waste my money on having the oil changed in my car? The engine was still running OK with the old oil. Did I throw EVEN MORE money away by having the coolant changed and the transmission fluid changed? Nothing was BROKE on the car,,, so I reckon,,,by your logic... I just wasted all that money... for NOTHING... My father-in-law says that too... It really bothers me, but I figure I'm not paying for repairs on his vehicles so it's his choice. I say spend a little now and save a lot later. -Dusty- 2006 Cadillac DTS Glacier Gold Tri-Coat with 175,000 miles 1993 Cadillac Sixty Special Gold Mist with 185,000 miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I worked at Sun Shipbuilding and Drydock, they believed in PM or Preventative Maintenance. When they did a job they replaced everything that could wear while they were there especially when there was a lot of work or downtime required to do the job. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 I know it has been a long time since the fuel rail recall but did the '98+ engines have stainless fuel rails? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I know it has been a long time since the fuel rail recall but did the '98+ engines have stainless fuel rails? No. Hmmm - that makes me wonder what was different about the fuel rails from the '98+ models that they didn't require the recall. I think my '05 Deville has a stainless fuel rail but I'd need to check to be sure. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Here is more on the recall. See this link for more background http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forum/t-126986.html Recalls Summary Make / Models : Model/Build Years: CADILLAC / DEVILLE 1995-1997 CADILLAC / ELDORADO 1995-1997 CADILLAC / SEVILLE 1995-1997 OLDSMOBILE / AURORA 1995-1997 Recall Number: 04V110000 Summary: SOME PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 4.0L V8 ENGINES HAVE A CONDITION IN WHICH THE NYLON TUBING USED IN THE FUEL RAIL CONSTRUCTION MAY DEGRADE AND CRACK. ADDITIONALLY, THE 1995 MODEL YEAR USES A UNIQUE UNDERHOOD FUEL RETURN LINE THAT MAY CRACK. CRACKING OF THE FUEL RAIL OR RETURN LINE TUBING CAN RESULT IN A FUEL LEAK INTO THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT. Consequence: FUEL LEAKAGE, IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE, COULD RESULT IN A FIRE. Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND, IF NECESSARY, REPLACE THE ENGINE FUEL RAIL WITH A NEW STAINLESS STEEL FUEL RAIL. DEALERS WILL ALSO INSTALL A REVISED CHASSIS FUEL RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JUNE 2, 2004, FOR 1996-1997 OLDSMOBILE AURORA VEHICLES. OWNERS OF 1995 CADILLACS AND 1996-1997 OLDSMOBILE AURORA WERE SENT LETTERS ON AUGUST 6, 2004. ADDITIONAL LETTERS TO OWNERS WILL BE FORTHCOMING. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT OLDSMOBILE AT 1-800-630-6537 Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 My 98 DeVille had the plastic fuel rail. I knew the recall only covered 95-97 Northstars but I wanted the (much nicer looking) stainless fuel rail. So, I bought a used one on eBay for $30 and replaced it myself. It even came with 8 injectors which I figured would be good backup to keep around. It wasn't a very difficult job. I even pulled my intake manifold and put new gaskets underneath for good measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I know it has been a long time since the fuel rail recall but did the '98+ engines have stainless fuel rails? No. Hmmm - that makes me wonder what was different about the fuel rails from the '98+ models that they didn't require the recall. I think my '05 Deville has a stainless fuel rail but I'd need to check to be sure. I think it had something to do with the plastic compound if I remember correctly. They must have switched to a different type of plastic in '98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I know it has been a long time since the fuel rail recall but did the '98+ engines have stainless fuel rails? No. Hmmm - that makes me wonder what was different about the fuel rails from the '98+ models that they didn't require the recall. I think my '05 Deville has a stainless fuel rail but I'd need to check to be sure. I think it had something to do with the plastic compound if I remember correctly. They must have switched to a different type of plastic in '98. I seem to recall it was something in the plastic but I wonder why the recall was done with stainless fuel rails rather than '98+ plastic rails? Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Interesting thought Kevin Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jim Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Interesting thought Kevin Maybe they still had some doubt about the 98+ rails ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Giving GM the benefit of the doubt, maybe, as I heard, the newer "plastic" rails are a compound that resist fuel and ethanol, and the 98 and newer have that compound. However, maybe for PR reasons and burdon of proof reasons, they only replaced the 95 through 97 rails only given that the 98 and newer had the new compound. If they replaced the newer 98 fuel rails at the same time, they may have opened themselves up to other extraineous law suits that would be developed into class action law suits. I hope that makes sense. Then there is the cost reason, why replace something across their lines if it has not proved to be a defect If they replaced the 95 to 97 rails with the revised 98 rails and the 98 rails and THEN those leaked it would be a PR nightmare and it would look bad for them, so they overkilled it with stainless steel that they used on the 4.9's Also, since this covers the 95-97 and its possible that 98+ uses a different compound, they would want to keep 'like recall reasons' within their own recall, that is not to say that the 98+ would ever need to be recalled. I had my fuel rail recalled and took it in, somewhere I heard that it was the result of the early lines not holding up to ethanol. The 10% ethanol that we started using in the winter months did not agree with the original lines...... See this link on ethanol and how corrosive ethanol can be, I got the following from this link, while is states 85 and newer should be ok, I believe that the lines were negatively affected, and in some cases the ethanol has exceeded 10% and I think it went from 10% ethanol during the winter months to 10% ethanol all year around. I hope JohnnyG chimes in on this, subject, Ill see if I can get him http://en.wikipedia....tandard_engines Corrosion E85 can cause damage, since prolonged exposure to high concentrations of ethanol may corrode metal and rubber parts in older engines (pre-1985) designed primarily for gasoline. The hydroxyl group on the ethanol molecule is an extremely weak acid, but it can enhance corrosion for some natural materials. For post-1985 fuel-injected engines, all the components are already designed to accommodate E10 (10% ethanol) blends through the elimination of exposed magnesium and aluminum metals and natural rubber and cork gasketed parts. Hence, there is a greater degree of flexibility in just how much more ethanol may be added without causing ethanol-induced damage, varying by automobile manufacturer. Anhydrous ethanol in the absence of direct exposure to alkali metals and bases is non-corrosive; it is only when water is mixed with the ethanol that the mixture becomes corrosive to some metals. Hence, there is no appreciable difference in the corrosive properties between E10 and a 50:50 blend of E10 gasoline and E85 (47.5% ethanol), provided there is no water present, and the engine was designed to accommodate E10. Nonetheless, operation with more than 10% ethanol has never been recommended by car manufacturers in non-FFVs. Operation on up to 20% ethanol is generally considered safe for all post-1988 cars and trucks Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stsevillests Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I know it has been a long time since the fuel rail recall but did the '98+ engines have stainless fuel rails? No. Hmmm - that makes me wonder what was different about the fuel rails from the '98+ models that they didn't require the recall. I think my '05 Deville has a stainless fuel rail but I'd need to check to be sure. I think it had something to do with the plastic compound if I remember correctly. They must have switched to a different type of plastic in '98. I seem to recall it was something in the plastic but I wonder why the recall was done with stainless fuel rails rather than '98+ plastic rails? That is what I am wondering. The dealer said mine was replaced in 2004, and mine is plastic now with GM213M TYPE F writing on it. Why would they replace mine with a newer plastic instead of putting a stainless steel one on it. Seems to me steel would be safer and last forever versus plastic of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I know it has been a long time since the fuel rail recall but did the '98+ engines have stainless fuel rails? No. Hmmm - that makes me wonder what was different about the fuel rails from the '98+ models that they didn't require the recall. I think my '05 Deville has a stainless fuel rail but I'd need to check to be sure. I think it had something to do with the plastic compound if I remember correctly. They must have switched to a different type of plastic in '98. I seem to recall it was something in the plastic but I wonder why the recall was done with stainless fuel rails rather than '98+ plastic rails? That is what I am wondering. The dealer said mine was replaced in 2004, and mine is plastic now with GM213M TYPE F writing on it. Why would they replace mine with a newer plastic instead of putting a stainless steel one on it. Seems to me steel would be safer and last forever versus plastic of any kind. Yours was not replaced as the result of the 95-97 recall, its unrelated, read my post above Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 See this link to the Delphi fuel rails, you can see they are NOT plastic they are composite and resistant to corrosion from all fuel sources. The 95 to 97 fuel rails had a SPECIFIC issue that has been resolved as of 98, since now it is 13 model years old, it seems that there was a revision. The 95 was 9 model years old when the recall was done in 04. http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto/powertrain/gas/injsys/mpfi/ Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jndnaps Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 So, if mine was never changed can I still have it done free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjaws Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 hey jndnaps were did you get those white wall tires in your pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimD Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The later Northstar "flexible" fuel plumbing has not proven to be a trouble point. However, fuel fumes under the hood deserves immediate attention. Like Mike said earlier, ask WarrenJ. And if you think having a 40+ plus PSI fuel leak under the hood can ruin your day, wait until you are driving a direct injection engine with more than 1,500 PSI fuel pressure at WOT! ! ! Jim Drive your car. Use your cell phone. CHOOSE ONE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jndnaps Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 hey jndnaps were did you get those white wall tires in your pic They're vogues. Just picked up a used set dirt cheap and 2 are like new. 2 are at 95% at the least and 2 at about 60 to 65% Paid $200.00 mounted and balanced. Excellent deal, I couldn't pass that up.. I needed tires bad.. Two were separating and had a lot of steel hanging out of them. The car drove like a duck.. I was getting seasick in the car. She drives nice and smooth again. But back to the fuel rails. If mine were never replaced, can I still have it done free? Do recalls expire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 hey jndnaps were did you get those white wall tires in your pic They're vogues. Just picked up a used set dirt cheap and 2 are like new. 2 are at 95% at the least and 2 at about 60 to 65% Paid $200.00 mounted and balanced. Excellent deal, I couldn't pass that up.. I needed tires bad.. Two were separating and had a lot of steel hanging out of them. The car drove like a duck.. I was getting seasick in the car. She drives nice and smooth again. But back to the fuel rails. If mine were never replaced, can I still have it done free? Do recalls expire? I don't believe that a recall expires, I am surprised it has not been replaced. I would call GM assistance and find out what they say, I think its covered, but could be wrong Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot rod Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 beautiful car. need to wash mine up . its getting warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jndnaps Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 beautiful car. need to wash mine up . its getting warmer. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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