thu Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 A quote from today's Wall Street Journal: "Forcing us to save GM, Ford and Chrysler is to force us to buy what we have already decided we do not want. That's about as un-American as you can get." 2003 Seville STS 43k miles with the Bose Sound, Navigation System, HID Headlamps, and MagneRide 1993 DeVille. Looks great inside and out! 298k miles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thu Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I think the $75/Hr (or whatever it really is) INCLUDES medical ins., pension, vacation, and any other benefits that are in their contract. Yes, that is correct. See my earlier post about this. The Detroit three workers get about $75/hour TOTAL COMPENSATION. The Transplant workers get a bit less than $45/hour TOTAL COMPENSATION. 2003 Seville STS 43k miles with the Bose Sound, Navigation System, HID Headlamps, and MagneRide 1993 DeVille. Looks great inside and out! 298k miles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I think the $75/Hr (or whatever it really is) INCLUDES medical ins., pension, vacation, and any other benefits that are in their contract. Yes, that is correct. See my earlier post about this. The Detroit three workers get about $75/hour TOTAL COMPENSATION. The Transplant workers get a bit less than $45/hour TOTAL COMPENSATION. Now, that is what I heard also. But Logan refuted that info and I believe him. Where did you get your info from? I have heard it on FOX, Rush and Marc Levin and I believe I have read it also. Oddly, I have not heard anyone from GM say it nor is it on their website where they explain all of this Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I believe the $75 figure also includes all the legacy costs which the imports do not have because they have not been around as long. The old style of pension (that most companies had in years past) hasn't been offered to new GM employees in 15-20 years. All the hirees in the last 15 years get is a 401k plan. As far as the Wall Street Urinal stating that "Forcing us to save GM, Ford and Chrysler is to force us to buy what we have already decided we do not want." is a crock... ALL car sales are down, including the media's beloved foreign makes, not just the domestics. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 The number on my stub is $28.75 per hour. 27 year employee. I have never made $150K in a year working for GM. More like $60K with some overtime. Yeah, I go to the dentist. Thats about it. No way $20-40K health. Yes, I have a pension. But I also have a 401K. New GM employees. No health care, no pension. The current GM pension fund is actually overfunded. The $70 per hour job number is a GM generated number. For them it's this: For every current GM emplyoee working 1 hour, GM is paying out $70 dollars for the current employee, the pension, the insurance and pension for everyone whom ever worked for GM. Good lord! The $70 employee per hour will not go away.. The problem #1. Health Care. My Dad is 82. Retired GM employee. He just lost his GM heath care. Non union. White collar.What's he to do now? People are living longer. Better nutrition. Better heath care. Better treatment available. I know a 40 year old guy down the street that had a intestine infection. 5 years ago this would have killed him. He was saved but now has 300K medical bills. Go figure..you could never pay that off. Just some ongoing GM problems. A lot a GM problems will die of in 10 years. Very sad to say..people. Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.logandieselusa.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I will always look to buy American. And I will look at Cadillac first--Hopefully they will still be around. I would like to buy a 2006-2008 STS. I think my next Cadillac will be the STS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thu Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Now, that is what I heard also. But Logan refuted that info and I believe him. Where did you get your info from? I have heard it on FOX, Rush and Marc Levin and I believe I have read it also. Oddly, I have not heard anyone from GM say it nor is it on their website where they explain all of this My earlier post about this in this thread has the sources......however, I think this includes supporting all current retirees, etc. This is a cost that the transplants do not have. 2003 Seville STS 43k miles with the Bose Sound, Navigation System, HID Headlamps, and MagneRide 1993 DeVille. Looks great inside and out! 298k miles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I own ONLY GM products. I plan to continue buying GM cars as long as they keep making Cadillacs and I can afford them. I also own Colt pistols, Winchester shotguns and Winchester rifles. (All AMERICAN made.) The only reason I have a Sony HDTV is, there are no longer any AMERICAN makers of tv's. If there was... I would have bought one. Oh... and I haven't been in a WalMart but MAYBE two or three times in the last year or more. One of those times was to get a new BUCK pocket knife. (AMERICAN made, of course) Just bought an USA made Buck 110 from local Wal-Mart. Only $26.88 and I can tell you that knife is worth it!! A little present for my birthday. I am 50 today, folks. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Nunnally Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Bruce 2023 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing Follow me on: Twitter Instagram Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Thanks, Bruce! The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Thank you, Ranger! The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEldo97 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Happy Birthday. I'm 57 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jim Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Happy Birthday from the old man to both of the young'uns.... Adalllak and Mr Eldo97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Happy Birthday. I'm 57 today. Wow! Happy birthday, man! The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Happy Birthday from the old man to both of the young'uns.... Adalllak and Mr Eldo97 Thank you, Jim! The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Happy Birthday. I'm 57 today. Wow! Happy birthday, man! Happy Birthday Adallak and Mr Eldo! Adallak, that is a big one! I am not a fan of birthdays ending in a 5 or a zero! I had one in July ending with a 5, I was down all day, but I suppose its better than the alternative! double nickels here OUCH... Enjoy guys Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Happy Birthday. I'm 57 today. Wow! Happy birthday, man! Happy Birthday Adallak and Mr Eldo! Adallak, that is a big one! I am not a fan of birthdays ending in a 5 or a zero! I had one in July ending with a 5, I was down all day, but I suppose its better than the alternative! double nickels here OUCH... Enjoy guys Thanks, Mike! The saleswoman asked me wheather I was 18... whan I asked a knife. She had kinda sceptical look when she asked that question. We laughed it out. Life's good. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I am not a fan of birthdays ending in a 5 or a zero! I had one in July ending with a 5, I was down all day, but I suppose its better than the alternative! double nickels here OUCH... Enjoy guys Don't forget the one ending in a "6" will cost you a dinner! Regards, Warren EDIT: I'm hungry. Start $aving. There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I better save! I don't think unemployment will be an excuse! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I better save! I don't think unemployment will be an excuse! We could make it my treat this year. For those that don't understand, Mike and I share July birthdays and a neighborhood. Last year was my dinner treat; this year is Mike's turn. Traditionally, Mike picks the restaurant. It sounds like it might be White Castle this year. Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Well I am in training right now, it looks like I will be going back to Miami. I'd really like to go to Gallagher's SteakHouse in Manhattan! Have you been there? http://www.gallaghersnysteakhouse.com/ Sorry to get off topic, Happy Birthday Guys... Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenJ Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Well I am in training right now, it looks like I will be going back to Miami. I'd really like to go to Gallagher's SteakHouse in Manhattan! Have you been there? http://www.gallaghersnysteakhouse.com/ Miami ?!? In July ?!? I've not been to Gallagher's, but I actually have a bottle of Peter Luger's Steak Sauce in my fridge. Does that count? I recently dined with my brother at Johnny Utah's across from Radio City Music Hall. You could have cut that steak with a fork! I've never had better. Regards, Warren There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved. - Ludwig von Mises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEldo97 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Thanks fellas. I'm a child of the '60s and 70s... My neighbor was watching "The Drug Years" on VH1 Classics a while ago and he says to me "You were there, weren't you..." America in the great stoned age: I was there from the end of the beginning to the end of Disco. A great time to be young especially if you survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted tcb Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Well I am in training right now, it looks like I will be going back to Miami. I'd really like to go to Gallagher's SteakHouse in Manhattan! Have you been there? http://www.gallaghersnysteakhouse.com/ Sorry to get off topic, Happy Birthday Guys... In training for a new job? In training to run a marathon? What's up, Mike? 1989 FWD Fleetwood, Silver 1995 STS Crimson Pearl on Black leather 1997 STS Diamond White 1999 STS Crimson Pearl 2001 STS Silver 2003 STS, Crimson Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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