friesianlover87 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 NO! I was driving my 93' Cadillac STS today and i got a Service Vehicle Soon message on the dash (not the built in orange one) and so i thought what the hell, pulled over and checked my oil. First of all everything under the hood was way hotter than i think it should have been, nearly burnt myself just trying to get the oil cap off. Then it seems as though my oil cap was melted on! My car doesnt leak or anything but it was almost completely empty!!!! Thankfully I had a full thing of oil so I put that in, but I'm so worried i've damaged my engine now, I know caddys hate to be run low on oil, I feel like the biggest loser. Also there is a new code saying P019 which I believe is 'shorted fuel pump circuit' is this just a blown fuse? Advice !! Thanks you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 NO! I was driving my 93' Cadillac STS today and i got a Service Vehicle Soon message on the dash (not the built in orange one) and so i thought what the hell, pulled over and checked my oil. First of all everything under the hood was way hotter than i think it should have been, nearly burnt myself just trying to get the oil cap off. Then it seems as though my oil cap was melted on! My car doesnt leak or anything but it was almost completely empty!!!! Thankfully I had a full thing of oil so I put that in, but I'm so worried i've damaged my engine now, I know caddys hate to be run low on oil, I feel like the biggest loser. Also there is a new code saying P019 which I believe is 'shorted fuel pump circuit' is this just a blown fuse? Advice !! Thanks you. It could have been off your dipstick but still had 5 quarts in and you would have been fine. If it was bad enough you would have gotten an oil light and possibly a stop engine and an alarm, but I am not sure what the 93 actually does. Is that the only code?, did you check codes?. One more thing, you said this "I know caddys hate to be run low on oil". It is not advisable to run any engine low on oil, that is not something peculiur to the Cadillac engine all engines demand proper lubrication. I am not sure what warning devices you have with your 93, but if you were critically low, that is not the message you would have gotten, maybe in 93, when you are two quarts low, you get that message, but two quarts low does not constitute a serious problem in an engine that takes 7.5 quarts. Relax and post your codes, you were probably just low in oil Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 This is interesting, I just went and looked up your P019, there is no OBD1 code P019, but there is a P0119, could that be what you saw? Maybe if it is, that would explain why you thought it felt hot.... Check your codes again P0119 - Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Intermittent Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friesianlover87 Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 This is interesting, I just went and looked up your P019, there is no OBD1 code P019, but there is a P0119, could that be what you saw? Maybe if it is, that would explain why you thought it felt hot.... Check your codes again P0119 - Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Intermittent Thanks for writting back to me. I will check again later but I am almost 100% it said P019, there is also a P013, which has to do with the 02 sensors (i've replaced one so far and need to do the other one), and also a A048 code which is an air conditioning thing which I am not worried about as I don't have that connected. Engine coolant temp circuit would explain why it was hot but like I said, I am almost positive it said P019. Where is the coolant reservoir anyways, i didnt see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I wonder what it is with the 93, why does it not adhear to the OBD1 code list, I found these codes EO19 Shorted Fuel Pump Circuit EO13 Right Oxygen Sensor Not Ready AO48 Low refrigerant pressure How much oil did you put in? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friesianlover87 Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I wonder what it is with the 93, why does it not adhear to the OBD1 code list, I found these codes EO19 Shorted Fuel Pump Circuit EO13 Right Oxygen Sensor Not Ready AO48 Low refrigerant pressure How much oil did you put in? a full bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 a quart? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friesianlover87 Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 a quart? i dont know, like one of these http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growe3 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I wonder what it is with the 93, why does it not adhear to the OBD1 code list, I found these codes EO19 Shorted Fuel Pump Circuit EO13 Right Oxygen Sensor Not Ready AO48 Low refrigerant pressure How much oil did you put in? FYI: For the model years prior to 1993, the "P###" (Powertrain) is replaced by an "E####" (Engine), but the description remains unchanged. P019 (E019) .............................................. Shorted Fuel Pump Circuit Drive'em like you own 'em. - ....................04 DTS............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 P013 (E013) Right Oxygen Sensor Not Ready P019 (E019) Shorted Fuel Pump Circuit You didn't say whether either of these was Current or History, but I'm assuming History. From the P013, it looks like the HO2S heater circuit may be intermittent. This one would certainly turn on the MIL. Check the connector. It's the one between the engine and the firewall, I believe. The P019 means that your fuel pump circuit is also intermittent. If the fuel pump circuit was bad and stayed bad, you would of course stall and not start. It's also possible that you picked up or or both of these codes from temporary short circuits from a car wash that pressure-washed the underside of the car or some such. I would reset the codes and see if they come back. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 a quart? i dont know, like one of these http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg That is one quart, one quart down is insignificant, don't worry about that at all. At one quart down it should have registered on the dip stick. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jking220 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 a quart? i dont know, like one of these <a href="http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg" target="_blank">http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg</a> That is one quart, one quart down is insignificant, don't worry about that at all. At one quart down it should have registered on the dip stick. Im not sure on that year, but my 01 STS doesnt even warn you until you are a quart below the hatching, where you are at 6 quarts. At that point I usually put in a quart and a half to put it in the middle of the hatching, or 7.5 quarts. Make sure you brought your oil level back up to the appropriate level, because it sounds like it may have been more than a quart low. Jonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Do you have a copy of your owners manual from the glove compartment? This statement is on page 141: This is related to the O2 sensor code you are getting. My advice to you is to sit down and read your owners manual to understand more about the operation of your car, one quart of oil is nothing to panic about, and you SHOULD know what the warning lights are telling you. If you want a PDF copy of your owners manual get it here: https://www.mygmlink.com/pdf/go2content/man...1993seville.pdf Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 a quart? i dont know, like one of these <a href="http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg" target="_blank">http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg</a> That is one quart, one quart down is insignificant, don't worry about that at all. At one quart down it should have registered on the dip stick. Im not sure on that year, but my 01 STS doesnt even warn you until you are a quart below the hatching, where you are at 6 quarts. At that point I usually put in a quart and a half to put it in the middle of the hatching, or 7.5 quarts. Make sure you brought your oil level back up to the appropriate level, because it sounds like it may have been more than a quart low. He was not getting a warning due to low oil, he assumed that, see my post number 13 above, thanks Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jking220 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 a quart? i dont know, like one of these <a href="http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg" target="_blank">http://images.highperformancepontiac.com/t..._supplement.jpg</a> That is one quart, one quart down is insignificant, don't worry about that at all. At one quart down it should have registered on the dip stick. Im not sure on that year, but my 01 STS doesnt even warn you until you are a quart below the hatching, where you are at 6 quarts. At that point I usually put in a quart and a half to put it in the middle of the hatching, or 7.5 quarts. Make sure you brought your oil level back up to the appropriate level, because it sounds like it may have been more than a quart low. He was not getting a warning due to low oil, he assumed that, see my post number 13 above, thanks I see... posted at the same time... Jonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friesianlover87 Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 First off I'm a chick :-) Secondly, at least the service vehicle soon message gave me the idea of checking my oil, because it was low. Are you guys saying that the P013 code might not even mean I need my 02 sensors replaced? I just spent 200$ replacing one of them, and the mechanic told me the other one needs replacing as well. All codes were History. I will clear them today and see if they come back. Thank you so much for the PDF of the owners manual, when I bought my car in december it did not come with one so thats awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 First off I'm a chick :-) Secondly, at least the service vehicle soon message gave me the idea of checking my oil, because it was low. Are you guys saying that the P013 code might not even mean I need my 02 sensors replaced? I just spent 200$ replacing one of them, and the mechanic told me the other one needs replacing as well. All codes were History. I will clear them today and see if they come back. Thank you so much for the PDF of the owners manual, when I bought my car in december it did not come with one so thats awesome. You are a chick?, and this is important why? You have not said anything embarrising here, so don't worry about it, actually I am quite impressed now. Glad you can use the owners manual, sometimes they are searchable with Adobe Acrobat, I think yours is saved as a picture and its not searchable (unfortunately), but you can still browse through it, call up the shortcuts on the left to quickly page throught it. Save it to your hard drive If you are getting a service vehicle code, it is related to emissions, and an O2 sensor problem is related to emissions, so I am sure you DO have a problem with your O2 sensor, check the connection, but its probably bad. Don't go out and spend $200 to have it replaced, its very easy to do, depending upon which one it is, find someone mechanically inclinded to do it for you, you can buy an O2 sensor for about $100. Heck if you lived nearby, I'd replace it for you (since you are a chick driving a Cadillac ) You are doing great, finding codes and all, don't get frustrated. As far as your engine feeling really hot, they can get REALLY hot depending upon the type of driving you had been doing. When I drive a 500 mile trip, I am shocked how hot my engine is when I pull into a rest area and lift the hood, unless you are getting dash board lights don't worry about it. Tell us more about your car, mileage, how long you own it, maintenance history etc. We can help you, Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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