FSchuett Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hello, *smurf* happens... I need a new solenoid (shift "B") for my ´95 ETC, because I can not shift correct and the code "P029 current" with "service engine soon" is in the display. Here in germany I can not buy these part. If anybody sell me these solenoid ? With best wishes from germany Frank german_stingray@yahoo.de Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hello; I nearly forgot... where exact is this solenoid ? I need picture or drawings and a description to install the solenoid. Thank you very very much. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 P029 (E029) Transaxle Shift 'B' solenoid problem (1st, 3rd, 4th gear) The Shift B solenoid is the 2-3 shift solenoid. It's located in the lower control valve body assembly and can be changed as part of an ordinary transmission service procedure, which is cleaning out the transmission oil pan, filters, etc. and changing the fluid. In the drawing below the Shift A and Shift B solenoids are on the lower right, labeled "909." These solenoids aren't expensive, and they are accessible with the car on a lift with the transmission oil pan off. Rock Auto sells them for under $20 each. I don't know if Rock Auto ships internationally. DeSimone Cadillac ships parts internationally and I've dealt with their parts department for years, and they're top notch: http://desimonecadillac.com/ (856) 778-1000, ask for Parts, then ask for Paul palday#desimonecadillac.com (replace the "#" with an at symbol) -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hello Jims_97_ETC, please can you tell me the part number for these "B" solenoid, the "A" solenoid and the filter for my ´95 ETC with 4T80E shiftbox... thank´s for all frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hello Jims_97_ETC, please can you tell me the part number for these "B" solenoid, the "A" solenoid and the filter for my ´95 ETC with 4T80E shiftbox... thank´s for all frank Frank if you run into difficulty, I can purchase and send the solenoids to you, let me know. I have sent parts to Stefan in the past, he is also in Germany. Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 There is a kit that includes both solenoids and a revised support bracket - I would recommend installing the kit vs. replacing just one solenoid. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hello Jims_97_ETC, please can you tell me the part number for these "B" solenoid, the "A" solenoid and the filter for my ´95 ETC with 4T80E shiftbox... thank´s for all frank Frank if you run into difficulty, I can purchase and send the solenoids to you, let me know. I have sent parts to Stefan in the past, he is also in Germany. Mike Hello Mike, please tell me the delivery time, delivery costs and the part prize. Can I pay with paypal ? With best wishes from Germany Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Frank, here is the price and info from RockAuto: ACDELCO Part # 24211355 VALVE KIT,1-2,2-3 SHFT SOL w/4-SPD A/TRANS(MH1) $58.79 (plus shipping to me, and shipping to you) If you want, you can just send me a check or money order, that I can cash in the US, Pay Pal charges a big commission to send cash. Stefan and I did this via Pay Pal. Let me know, if and how you want to do this my PM, with your address, etc.., and I will begin the process. Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Frank, the shift solenoids are attached to the lower control valve assembly in the bottom pan (see #909). Unfortunately you need to drop the control valve assembly. Having just done my ISS speed sensor in the side pan, you might want to order the gasket that goes between the control valve assembly and the spacer plate, unless its included with the kit. NOTE: I believe there are check balls that you have to watch out for, I will find more information out and post it Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmac-etc Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Yes, there are 4 check balls and somewhere on this forum is a diagram of where they go. I did this some years ago and its messy but not difficult to do. 3 of the 4 balls are obvious as to where they go but the fourth is not, hence the diagram. Also Frank, both solenoids are the same part. update: This link has a good description of the shift solenoid procedure. Between Barry94 and WillieHank there is a boat load of info (although some guy calling himself Scotty started the thread ). http://caddyinfo.ipbhost.com/index.php?sho...amp;hl=solenoid It looks like the link that barry94 provided to the diagram is dead ... so if no diagram, just take the valve body apart very gingerly and note the position of the balls.... that is until someone posts the diagram ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Frank, here is the price and info from RockAuto: ACDELCO Part # 24211355 VALVE KIT,1-2,2-3 SHFT SOL w/4-SPD A/TRANS(MH1) $58.79 (plus shipping to me, and shipping to you) If you want, you can just send me a check or money order, that I can cash in the US, Pay Pal charges a big commission to send cash. Stefan and I did this via Pay Pal. Let me know, if and how you want to do this my PM, with your address, etc.., and I will begin the process. Mike Hello Mike, thank´s for your help... Now, yesterday I´ve order this parts at www.rockauto.com - delivery time is 2 day´s to germany... Yes, there are 4 check balls and somewhere on this forum is a diagram of where they go. I did this some years ago and its messy but not difficult to do. 3 of the 4 balls are obvious as to where they go but the fourth is not, hence the diagram. It looks like the link that barry94 provided to the diagram is dead ... so if no diagram, just take the valve body apart very gingerly and note the position of the balls.... that is until someone posts the diagram ... Hello rmac-etc, what do you mean with the 4 balls ? What can I check at these balls ? What do you mean with - note the position of the balls ? Thank´s Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Frank, here is the price and info from RockAuto: ACDELCO Part # 24211355 VALVE KIT,1-2,2-3 SHFT SOL w/4-SPD A/TRANS(MH1) $58.79 (plus shipping to me, and shipping to you) If you want, you can just send me a check or money order, that I can cash in the US, Pay Pal charges a big commission to send cash. Stefan and I did this via Pay Pal. Let me know, if and how you want to do this my PM, with your address, etc.., and I will begin the process. Mike Hello Mike, thank´s for your help... Now, yesterday I´ve order this parts at www.rockauto.com - delivery time is 2 day´s to germany... Yes, there are 4 check balls and somewhere on this forum is a diagram of where they go. I did this some years ago and its messy but not difficult to do. 3 of the 4 balls are obvious as to where they go but the fourth is not, hence the diagram. It looks like the link that barry94 provided to the diagram is dead ... so if no diagram, just take the valve body apart very gingerly and note the position of the balls.... that is until someone posts the diagram ... Hello rmac-etc, what do you mean with the 4 balls ? What can I check at these balls ? What do you mean with - note the position of the balls ? Thank´s Frank Don't worry about the balls Frank, you can put them in place with Vaseline (do you have Vaseline in Germany). I will scan and post a photo for you at some point, I bought a rebuilding manual for the transmission last week.. Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Don't worry about the balls Stefan, you can put them in place with Vaseline (do you have Vaseline in Germany). I will scan and post a photo for you at some point, I bought a rebuilding picture for the transmission last week.. Mike Hello Mike, yes we have Vaseline in Germany ;-) To be glad aboud the photo/scan and the picture... With best wishes from germany Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmac-etc Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Just to clarify about the balls (if I am remembering right), the valve body is a 2 piece (top/bottom) assembly the inside of which is a maze of channels and ports and there are 4 stainless steel balls that have to be in specific places. 3 of those spots are unique so you know that the balls go there, but the fourth ball's location is not identifiable just by looking. So having the diagram is important unless you are lucky enough to separate the valve body without disturbing the balls (not sure that would be possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hello and thank´s for all... Now, I´ve many questions about the installation from these solenoid !!! 1) Can I install the solenoid "A" and "B" without remove the transaxle from the car ? 2) Are these solenoid under the side- or bottom cover from the transaxle ? 3) I´ve the "old" service manual from the 4T60 transaxle and I need the discription from the "new" 4T80 transaxle to install these solenoid. Can you mail (german_stingray@yahoo.de) these pages from the automatic transaxle unit repair or where can I found a discription in the www ? Thank you very very much. With best wishes from good old Germany Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hello and thank´s for all... Now, I´ve many questions about the installation from these solenoid !!! 1) Can I install the solenoid "A" and "B" without remove the transaxle from the car ? No need to remove tranxaxle 2) Are these solenoid under the side- or bottom cover from the transaxle ? Bottom pan 3) I´ve the "old" service manual from the 4T60 transaxle and I need the discription from the "new" 4T80 transaxle to install these solenoid. Can you mail (german_stingray@yahoo.de) these pages from the automatic transaxle unit repair or where can I found a discription in the www ? Thank you very very much. With best wishes from good old Germany Frank Here is a start (I will send more regarding the check balls): Lower Control Valve Body Assembly Removal Remove lower Pan Use a small screwdriver in order to disconnect the manual valve linkage clip (915). Use a small screwdriver in order to disconnect the electrical connectors from the following parts: The 1-2 shift solenoid valve (909) The 2-3 shift solenoid valve (909) The automatic transmission fluid pressure manual valve position switch (936) Remove the wire harness from the two wiring harness clips. Remove the nine 10 mm bolts (534) from the oil transfer plate (956). Remove the oil transfer plate (956). Remove the two 10 mm nuts and the eleven 10 mm bolts from the lower controls assembly. Do not remove the four bolts indicated. Lift the lower channel plate, control valve body and accumulator assembly from the case as a single unit. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Olsson Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Be sure you have plenty of rags...nothing is as greasy as transmission oil..except from hydraulic oils I did this on my -93. Just be sure to watch out for the check balls so you don't have to get on all 4 and look for them... It not a hard or time-consuming work, just messy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Olsson Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 One other thing. Be sure that the gasket(s)? (don't remember if it was only one or more) look fine. It's like a big sheet with some coating on both sides on it. If it peels of, then you must have a new gasket or you'll propably have an internal leak witch you don't wan't. If you're careful then this propably won't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 One other thing. Be sure that the gasket(s)? (don't remember if it was only one or more) look fine. It's like a big sheet with some coating on both sides on it. If it peels of, then you must have a new gasket or you'll propably have an internal leak witch you don't wan't. If you're careful then this propably won't be a problem. I agree with this totally having just pulled my pump and lower control valve assembly from the side pan, the gaskets are brittle from the heat and age, and they stick and crack. You should definately have a gasket on hand that goes between the control valve and the spacer plate. Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 One other thing. Be sure that the gasket(s)? (don't remember if it was only one or more) look fine. It's like a big sheet with some coating on both sides on it. If it peels of, then you must have a new gasket or you'll propably have an internal leak witch you don't wan't. If you're careful then this propably won't be a problem. I agree with this totally having just pulled my pump and upper control valve assembly from the side pan, the gaskets are brittle from the heat and age, and they stick and crack. You should definately have a gasket on hand that goes between the control valve and the spacer plate. Hello, please give me the part # from these gasket... Now, I thnik the most problem are the 4 balls, because I don´t know where there are... Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 One other thing. Be sure that the gasket(s)? (don't remember if it was only one or more) look fine. It's like a big sheet with some coating on both sides on it. If it peels of, then you must have a new gasket or you'll propably have an internal leak witch you don't wan't. If you're careful then this propably won't be a problem. I agree with this totally having just pulled my pump and upper control valve assembly from the side pan, the gaskets are brittle from the heat and age, and they stick and crack. You should definately have a gasket on hand that goes between the control valve and the spacer plate. Hello, please give me the part # from these gasket... Now, I thnik the most problem are the 4 balls, because I don´t know where there are... Frank Don't worry about your balls Frank, I will post a GREAT picture for you! Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSchuett Posted June 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Don't worry about your balls Frank, I will post a GREAT picture for you! Oh my got, Mike... Picture from MY balls I hope it was two and not four Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Don't worry about your balls Frank, I will post a GREAT picture for you! Oh my got, Mike... Picture from MY balls I hope it was two and not four Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Frank, here is a photo that shows the location of the 4 check balls. Hold them in place with vaseline. Mike Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Frank, you are probably not going to disassemble your valve body but I thought that I would post this info for you Lower Control Valve Body Assemble Inspect the lower control valve body (903) for scratches or debris in the valve bores. Inspect the mating surfaces for damage. Inspect the servo bore for damage. Inspect all fluid passages for debris. Attach the manual valve link and clip (915) to the manual valve (916). Install the manual valve and link into the lower control valve body. Install the following parts: The forward orifice bypass valve (924) The forward orifice bypass valve spring (925) The coiled spring flag pin (926) Install the following parts: The 2-3 shift valve spring (906) The 2-3 C shift valve (907) The 2-3 D shift valve (908) The 2-3 shift solenoid valve (909) The 2-3 shift solenoid valve retainer clip (308) Install the solenoid screen assembly (917). Install the following parts: The 1-2 shift valve spring (918) The 1-2 A shift valve (919) The 1-2 B shift valve (920) The 1-2 shift solenoid valve (909) The 1-2 shift solenoid valve retainer clip (308) Continued below: Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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