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Are you GM loyal?

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  1. 1. Are you loyal to GM?

    • Yes, all of my vehicles are GM and I won't buy anything but GM!
      27
    • Not really, I just like Cadillac. I like other brand for trucks, vans, etc.
      16
    • I just like Cadillac, I buy whatever else is cheap.
      3
    • Absolutely not! I just got a good deal on my Cadillac.
      3


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I personally am GM loyal. All of my vehicles are GM and that's all I'll ever buy.


-Dusty-

- 02 Seville STS, white diamond

- 93 Sixty Special, Tan with vinyl top

- 79 Coupe DeVille, Tan with Tan top

- 06 GMC Sierra Z71, Black

- 92 Silverado C1500, black and grey

- 83 Chevy K10 Silverado, Black and Grey

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I am GM loyal - I've owned Cadillacs, Buicks, Oldsmobiles, and Chevrolets. GM builds the best cars and trucks - Period.


Kevin
'93 Fleetwood Brougham
'05 Deville
'04 Deville
2013 Silverado Z71

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I have only ever owned GM products until my last car , a vw jetta diesel, purely for the mpg. I have no use for low end GM's, they do not appeal to me, or give me the things I need in low end products (mainly mpg). I do consider myself GM loyal, but they don't have a car that appeals to me for this.

I like the silverado's for trucks... I'm just not a truck person

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I do not hold loyalty to any make whatsoever. Whoever makes what I like (interior design is number one on my list) is what kind of car I buy. When ir comes time to buy another car, I will look at DTS's, but will not say for certain that I will stay Cadillac or not. There are just too many nice cars on the road to stay loyal to one brand.

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Cadillac

Corvette

GMC

is all I would ever need


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I voted that I was loyal to GM.

I have to qualify that... Im addition to my 2006 DTS, I have a 2006 Chevy Van tha use for work and a 2002 Ford Taurus which is now for sale. Bought it new. It has been a pretty good car. Now has almost 100,000 on it. Uses no oil. Runs like a champ. I just no longer need it.


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I voted that I was loyal to GM.

I have to qualify that... Im addition to my 2006 DTS, I have a 2006 Chevy Van tha use for work and a 2002 Ford Taurus which is now for sale. Bought it new. It has been a pretty good car. Now has almost 100,000 on it. Uses no oil. Runs like a champ. I just no longer need it.

A Ford!! How dare you! :P

I used to be a Ford guy and then I met my future wife. That sure changed me. I did not have good luck with Ford. I drive like a maniac sometimes and my Fords just couldn't handle it. My GM's can though!


-Dusty-

- 02 Seville STS, white diamond

- 93 Sixty Special, Tan with vinyl top

- 79 Coupe DeVille, Tan with Tan top

- 06 GMC Sierra Z71, Black

- 92 Silverado C1500, black and grey

- 83 Chevy K10 Silverado, Black and Grey

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A Ford!! How dare you! :P

I used to be a Ford guy and then I met my future wife. That sure changed me. I did not have good luck with Ford. I drive like a maniac sometimes and my Fords just couldn't handle it. My GM's can though!

I have found the same thing down thru the years. Ford vs GM

GM products can, and will, take more abuse and keep working than Ford will.

I have had a couple of late model Lincoln Marks... one or two fast road trips like I sometimes do...they are gutted and ready to trade off.

Which I did. :D For GM products.


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I've had a lot of Chevrolets in my time, too many to count. New Chevrolets included a 1966 427 Corvette and a 1973 Caprice Estate 454 that I bought two weeks before the Arab Oil Embargo of October 1973. Eventually I horse-traded a couple of times and ended up with a 1969 Chevrolet 427 station wagon that more than replaced it -- twice the gas mileage and twice the horsepower -- and I drove that car seven years.

I'm not 100% GM loyal, although I voted that way because that is the closest option by far on the poll. We had a Chevrolet dealer sell us a Pontiac T-1000 (think Chevette) in 1985 that had been an Avis rental car and they wanted to stick it to us again when we came back with the evidence of illegal title laundering in hand to trade the car. We get a Ford Escort instead, and my wife's car became a Ford Tempo; I got over it and our next cars were Pontiacs. My escort was hit hard broadside running a green light and the Tempo didn't last. I have had used cars of opportunity for short periods that were not GM. The only real exception was a 1965 Plymouth Fury 318 two-barrel that a neighbor sold me cheap at 30,000 miles because it was burning oil. A $50 tune-up that included replacing a clogged PCV valve straightened it right out and it became a very good car for several years.

My experience with the non-GM cars tells the tale. A ten-year-old old 1952 Ford that I had for a couple of months had the suspension beat out of it before I got it, particularly the front suspension travel limit bumpers, and a good hit on a railroad track would rip out the shock absorber anchors. In the 1970's when I was driving my 1969 station wagon, I found that it was superior to all my friend's high-end cars in the suspension, interior, and maintenance and reliability, not just the drive train, regardless of make, model, or model year. In particular I had a very competitive friend who drove a late 1960's Mercury station wagon that was very comparable, including a 335 hp Edsel 410 cid drive train. This was Seattle, which has lots of city streets with high grades that go level to cross streets then abruptly ramp to high grades on the other side, like San Francisco. I routinely jumped the ends of the uphill ramps on green lights, and sometimes even on startups from stop signs if I felt like it; I thought that this was easier on my THM 400. After a few rides in my car, he dropped all mention of the Mercury and publicly gushed about my station wagon.

When my mother died, she left a four-year-old Lincoln Town Car and a spoiled Chihuahua. We took the Chihuahua. My sister argued over who would NOT get the car and we ended up selling it under wholesale. It was a very nice car, quite competent with a bulletproof Lincoln-tuned and built 302, firm but very comfortable suspension; think Motor Trend Car of the Year for 1988. But it was a bore to drive, with a so-so interior and paint job, etc.

The percentage of cars sold that are still on the road versus age is a very good indicator of a combination of owner loyalty to a particular car and the maintainability of that model. My perception is that this is very good for Cadillacs but you don't see many 10-year-old Lincolns, Lexus', Infinitis, Mercedes, or very many of the lesser sedans from any of the manufacturers. Mercedes was once very good for this but not in the last 20 years or so. There are a lot of old 300-series BMWs out there but I do wonder about maintainability. I would like to see some hard statistics on this for Cadillacs and other makes and models.

I do believe that you can get good gas mileage from Chevrolet and other GM lines. The Chevrolet line with standard engines and manual transmission will get you EPA fuel economy in the range 22-24 city, 30-34 highway. Of course, if you want the Corvette Z06, then EPA is 15/24 -- still tops in its class.

The Ford Focus can get you EPA 24/35, which compares with 24/34 for a comparable Aveo.


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I wouldn't say I'm "loyal" to GM for the sake of loyalty, but most of the cars I've liked in the past and present were GMs. Going forward, I think I'll always have a Cadillac. My wife would probably drive a GM also, except that they don't make a competitive minivan. For that, we went to Chrysler, and have owned two very wonderful minivans (the first a 2003 Grand Caravan and now a 2007 Town & Country).


Jason(2001 STS, White Diamond)

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I have a friend that has a Pontiac Montana minivan and I'm very impressed with the driveability, reliability, and gas mileage of this van.

My loyalty to GM has been pretty much driven by owner experience, too. Observing other owner's experience, such as 17 mpg typical from early VW bugs, early Hondas rusting so badly that they couldn't throw shade, Datsun rust problems, intractable Toyota sludge and persnickety repair issues, etc. As I have said, I look for old cars as an indication of quality and repairability of a car and I see mostly American cars, including Chrysler, excel at this. Uh, another thing; how many Toyotas do you see as taxicabs? But the best are GM cars. Work trucks do have published statistics on the number of cars on the road as a function of age, and most of them are driven by somebody for up to 20 years. When's the last time you saw a 20-year-old Toyota daily driver?


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Cadillac

Corvette

GMC

is all I would ever need

Ditto... I love blowin doors on those "stinkin lincolns" and "puss-stangs" :P

We had a towncar when I was younger... Nice RWD car... fun in the snow... 210 horse... Def. no Caddy!


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I wouldn't say that I am necessarily GM loyal but seems like when I go vehicle shopping, I usually wind up with one. I am on my seventh Cadillac and have a Chevrolet Pickup right now. I also owned two Corvettes and another Chevrolet pickup earlier. However, in my early driving days (50's and 60's) it was mostly Fords (but mainly to spite my dad) since he wouldn't buy anything but GM.

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Most def GM loyal here..

Current

Daily Driver- 02 Grand Prix GT

Wife's daily- 07 Impala LT

my former daily driver and work truck now- 95 Silverado Ext Cab short box..(LOVE my truck, still do)

2 Caddys- 92 Sedan Deville, 85 Eldo Btz.

Recent-

01 Olds Alero- Wife's daily, traded for the Impala last summer

95 Olds Cutlass Supreme- wife was hit head on when a woman ran a light..was a great car. Had it for about 6 weeks and only had 60K miles on it in 2004. However, the car withstood a hearty hit and the wife only had a broken ankle afterwards

96 Olds Eighty-Eight- Was a good driver and I got a good deal, but was not crazy about the aesthetics of it.

85 Olds Ninety-Eight..was our only car when we got married, belonged to my grandfather. My brother still uses it as a third car. Bulletproof.

Good lord..Didn't realize I was such an "Olds man" when I put it on paper... ;)

Just an aside here---The wife's Grandfather has a 92 Lincoln Town Car, I drove it yesterday to lunch with him..Amazes me how much of a "boat anchor" that car is compared to my 92 SedanDeville..(well, when it is running on all 8 cylinders :angry: )

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GM.

Presently have a 1994 SLS with 200,000 miles+ & still going strong. Great on gas (for the power) and a very comfortable cross country car. It is the wife's daily driver. She loves that car.

A 1996 GMC Suburban K1500 with 350,000 miles. Presently down for a fuel pump (2nd one). The suburban is probably the best vehicle that I have ever owned. The rocker covers have never been off & the engine uses about a quart every 1500 to 1700 miles. It is great in snow!

Lastly, a 2005 Chevy Silverado 4 door 2500HD Duramax 4x4 (LOVE THAT POWER!) Great truck, but it needs a larger fuel tank. 26 gallons V/S the 42 gallon tank in the Suburban.

Britt


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I grew up in a GM family and worked at a Buick dealer all through college, so I always try to be a loyal GM buyer. But at times I stray. Our current vehicles are: '93 ETC (my baby), 06 LaCrosse - (my daily driver), 07 Mercury Milan (My wife's car), and 96 Ford E-150 (towing/recreation).

We're very pleased with each of them. I have developed respect for Ford products over the years, particularly their trucks.

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Hi all,

seeing this discussion from the "outside" is a bit different. My parents used to have Opel cars, which is the german GM brand. These were very good and reliable cars in the 60ies and 70ies, we used to have the Kapitän, Admiral or Diplomat models, the latter powered by a 427 Chevrolet V8.

So I definiteley am GM-friendly, especially when it comes to US cars, presently owning a Cadillac SLS, Corvette C4, a '66 Buick Skylark conv. and a '68 Opel Admiral (which is very Chevy-esque)

But I must say there are many very appealing cars from other manufacturers, which are also a pleasure to own.

Just bought myself a supercharged Jaguar XJR two weeks ago, that is one great car! Also love RR / Bentley, which are so niceley hand-built.

It's just so great to tinker with cars!

Stefan

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A Ford!! How dare you! :P

I used to be a Ford guy and then I met my future wife. That sure changed me. I did not have good luck with Ford. I drive like a maniac sometimes and my Fords just couldn't handle it. My GM's can though!

I have found the same thing down thru the years. Ford vs GM

GM products can, and will, take more abuse and keep working than Ford will.

I have had a couple of late model Lincoln Marks... one or two fast road trips like I sometimes do...they are gutted and ready to trade off.

Which I did. :D For GM products.

Jim, a few years back I was eyeing the Mark VIII with the 32 valve 4.6, I liked its lines. What is it about the Mark that you didnt like with your fast road trips? Thanks, Mike


Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1  >> http://z-cut.de/US/dtcobd1.html

1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> http://carprogrammer.com/Z28/PCM/OBD2/On-BoardDiagnosticTroubleCodes(OBD-II).mht

How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/

Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year  http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm

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Jim, a few years back I was eyeing the Mark VIII with the 32 valve 4.6, I liked its lines. What is it about the Mark that you didnt like with your fast road trips? Thanks, Mike

Mike,

This is just "MY" experience with 2 Marks. A 1974 Mark lV, that I bought in 1975 with only 10,000 miles on it and a 1981 Mark Vl that I bought in 1983 with 18,000 miles on it.

Both of them were beautiful cars and I had high hopes for them, but it didn't pan out.

Neither one held up for long to my driving.

We took three road trips in the '74, and basically wore it out. One trip was a business trip, just me and Darling Wife, from Ft. Worth to El Paso and back in one day. About 1300 miles in one day. (A long story) Another trip was to Yellowstone and back.

But the last one... the one that done it in was to the Grand Canyon and back. Had to have a complete rear end put in it in Albuquerque on that trip.

After getting back from the Grand Canyon, I had to put straight 40 weight oil in it to keep the oil light from coming on and the lifters and rod bearings from rattling.

About a month after getting back from the last trip, I traded it for a brand new fully loaded 1976 Caprice. Kept it two years and 60,000 miles...sold it to my good friend who drove it about three MORE years than he gave it to his kid who proceded to rag it out. Made me sick every time I saw it after the kid started driving it.

On the 1981 Mark Vl... only took two trips in it. One to Yellowstone again and one to Florida. Got back from Florida and it just wasn't the same.

Someone that didn't KNOW the car probably wouldn't have found anything wrong with it... but I had drove it enough to know that it just no longer FELT RIGHT.

The suspension wasn't the same and the engine just didn't seem to have any GUTS anymore. It was just TIRED. It had less than 40,000 miles on it. Let it mostly sit for a while, then traded it for a new 1984 Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance.

Kept the Fleetwood for 18 years and almost 200,000 miles, and to be honest, shouldn't have sold it when I did. It was still a great car and looked MINT. It was always garaged and well kept up.

That is my experience with Lincoln's. I had two of them and neither one gave good service AT ALL.

There won't be another one. At least not for me.

I have driven the Cadillac I have now on SEVERAL road trips, just as fast and just as hard (if not harder) than I drove the Lincoln's and the Cadillac just laughs and wants MORE. There are times I have driven it for hours on end at 100+. Stop every few hours to get gas and let Darling Wife use the reatroom and get another coke to drink, so she can do it all over again the NEXT time I stop for gas. :D

This has also been my experience with some of the other Cadillacs I have owned. As hard as I have drove some of them, NOT ONE, has ever just felt wore out and tired. At least not yet. :D

Just my own humble opinion... but the Lincolns are nowhere near in the same class as the Cadillac, especially if you are gonna really DRIVE IT.

As always... Your Mileage Can, And Most Probably WILL, Vary. :D:D

Sorry ... I got long winded. :D


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That is the funniest thing I have ever heard and it's so TRUE!

the Cadillac just laughs and wants MORE

Thanks for your impressions on the Mark, I hadn't known that. I must say that when I see a Mark Vlll these days they look like low riders, very unappealing looking.

Your wife is a trooper, thats great, my parents were like that, loved the open road.

Ill tell you about my Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas summer of 1964. My parents were entertainers, and the summer of 1964 we spent going from air force base to air force base so that they could perform in the officers clubs. It was a wild summer, sleeping at times in the back of a 55 Fleetwood and sleeping in motels. We pulled into a motel outside one of the air force bases at 3 AM and were awakened at 5 AM to the sound of 30 B-52 sac bombers (eight jet engines) passing 50 feet over the roof of the motel, the sound was deafening, I fell out of bed and ran in outside to count them... it was an awesome sight. We were literally at the END of the runway, :lol: That happened every morning we were there!!

Anyway I could not get over how BIG and flat Texas was. We got directions a couple of times and their concept of distance was compressed, when you hear DOWN THE ROAD A PIECE, they are talking about 75 miles! :lol: It was an interesting summer, I could write a book.

We were in the middle of NO WHERE once and blew a freeze out plug in the 331 cu 55 Cadillac Fleetwood on a country road with no cars at all coming or going. My dad calmly pulls over, determines its the freeze out plug, tells my mom, "its going to be a bit", take the cooler out of the trunk and make lunch, and she started grilling chicken, my dad laid under the car with me, and stared at it for about a half hour. He called my mom. Hun, do you have a thimble of thread in your sewing kit, yep, I do. He takes the WOODEN thimble of thread, sands the edges till it fits the freeze out plug hole pushed it in, stuck a pencil in the thimbles hole. I go and get water from the CREEK and pour it in, we leave the cap loose and drive 75 miles to the dealer and the mechanic had a hard time getting the thimble out with a hammer and chisel!!!!! The wood expanded from the water and HEAT....Any wonder why I am loyal to GM? My dad was an amazing mechanic, he worked on the B17 in WW2 and he loved Cadillacs.. In the Philippines, he said they needed to fabricate parts, he knew a lot about tolerances, machining, balance, etc.

So when I hear you say you drive 100 mph for hours, i do understand what you mean.. Its big out there!


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I would vote I have been 100% loyal in the past... The future... I'm not so sure

The "Lutz" designed current STS is IMO a total flop and it is on the chopping block with the XLR anyway...

Kill those two cars... and kill the Northstar and any 32V V8 replacement and I honestly don't know what I would buy.

I still have my Camaro... I've gone through that phase of my life... An I'm not a Corvette kinda guy... (not enough chest hair or gold chains)

Anything that I like or would consider is either dead or dying (DTS,STS,XLR, GTO) or not going to be made (RWD Impala SS)

The way that Lutz and Red Ink Rick are running things I truly fear that my next car will be a Lexus or maybe a MB CLS

GM PLEASE build me something that looks like this...

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The line forms behind me!


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ZZTOP, I'm Bad I'm Nationwide

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Hi all,

seeing this discussion from the "outside" is a bit different. My parents used to have Opel cars, which is the german GM brand. These were very good and reliable cars in the 60ies and 70ies, we used to have the Kapitän, Admiral or Diplomat models, the latter powered by a 427 Chevrolet V8.

Stefan

Stefan, is this you?

Regards,

Warren


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Warren,

OMG! I don't want to hurt any feelings here, but doing burnouts is one of the most stupid things you can do with a car. Just my opinion.

Such an abuse and waste of material and energy!

But maybe that's just me...

But in fact, this is an Opel Diplomat (with Dutch license plates) of mid-seventies vintage. These were great cars. See attached a picture of my Opel Admiral, built in 1968. This is the predecessor of the type in the youtube video. Isn't that a genuine GM car?

Best

Stefan

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In the late 1960's, I was driving from Texas to San Diego in the summertime. In Arizona, I passed a new Lincoln with four guys in business suits in it. They sped up and passed me, with difficulty -- it was over 90 F out and we were at about 4,000 feet altitude. Although the road was flat and straight as far as the eye could see, I was holding about 80 mph and the Lincoln was a little breathless in passing me.

I continued on, and eventually the Lincoln slowed down and I passed it again. It sped up and passed me. This repeated several more times. Eventually I pulled up to a higher speed until the Lincoln was topped out trying to catch me, then I increased my speed another 10 mph and held it until I could no longer see the Lincoln, then another 15 or 20 minutes, figuring that they would lose interest after not seeing me for a half hour.

Later that day I came to a town that had nothing except a 50-foot dog-leg in the road, a gas station and a couple of nondescript buildings. I stopped for gas. While I was filling up, I heard a knocking in the distance. I walked out to the road and saw that Lincoln coming, with smoke puring out underneath it through the oil breather and the engine struggling with a main bearing knock and other noises. As it passed, I saw smoke coming out from underneath it and out the tailpipes. None of the four guys in it turned their heads. It did get out of town.

When I left, I watched for that Lincoln but never saw it again. I seriously doubt that it maintained a speed of 80 mph or better so as to stay ahead of me, so I believe that it had pulled off somewhere.

I was in a 1959 Chevrolet Biscayne four-door, one color, with blackwall tires and the small hub caps. A dealer add-on air conditioner was mounted on the transmission hump and maintaining good comfort, at least in the front seat. It had a 235 cid cold-water six with a standard-shift overdrive transmission, a 1937 design last updated significantly in 1950. Rover bought the dies after Chevrolet discontinued it after the 1962 model year and used it, modified, in the Land Rover as their 3.8 liter six for years.


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Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars.

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