KHE Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 5 hours ago, BodybyFisher said: We have had good experience with timeserts as KHE mentioned, but it is VERY important that the block material be good. By that I mean, when you drill, you need to see FILINGS not DUST or sandy material, if you do you need to go to a big-sert. If you put a timesert into a hole that had dusty material it will pull quickly as the material has been damaged from heat and or electrolysis. You MUST replace the head bolts as they are torque to yield fasteners, and they stretch when torqued. The Northstar head bolts are not torque to yield bolts. They have a microencapsulated threadlocker that acts as an anti-seize and locks them into place. There is no practical way of applying it in the field and there is not a substitute, so the procedure is to replace the head bolts. 26 minutes ago, babylon_nl said: @BodybyFisher: ' I tend to be sensitive or um, passionate, ' haha.. yes.. passion is good,, too little people have a real passion these days I guess.. that's what I like about forums like this (I am on some forums for my work as well, on satellite equipment and pc stuff) as passion brings a lot of valuable knowledge that non-passionate people just.. miss I suppose.. @KHE I think he's convinced now thanks! It makes sense, we're going to check the block this weekend and i'll try and get some pictures of the progress, From what I understand is that he decided to still take the engine out because of - some reason I didnt understand- I'm gonna update soon! Thanks again guys! Glad to help. If you go to Timesert's website and look up the manufacturer's specific kits, in the Bigsert kit description, it actually says "for use when a Heilicoil pulls out" or something to that effect. babylon_nl 1 Quote Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Great thanks!! This weekend i'll try and take the old Nikon out for a spin, Pretty sure there will be some nice shots to be taken.. non-daily ones I suppose I'll check back soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, KHE said: The Northstar head bolts are not torque to yield bolts. They have a microencapsulated threadlocker that acts as an anti-seize and locks them into place. There is no practical way of applying it in the field and there is not a substitute, so the procedure is to replace the head bolts. Glad to help. If you go to Timesert's website and look up the manufacturer's specific kits, in the Bigsert kit description, it actually says "for use when a Heilicoil pulls out" or something to that effect. Hmm, I was under the impression that the bolts were torqued into the elastic zone and that was considered "torque to yield", wrong terminology? @KHE Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 5 hours ago, BodybyFisher said: Hmm, I was under the impression that the bolts were torqued into the elastic zone and that was considered "torque to yield", wrong terminology? @KHE Probably wrong terminology - the head bolts do not get into the plastic/elastic region. If there was a practical method to clean and re-apply the micro-encapsulated threadlocker, the head bolts could be re-used over and over. The rod bolts are torque to yield bolts - there is no threadlocker on them and the shop manual states they are not to be re-used. Quote Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I 16 hours ago, KHE said: Probably wrong terminology - the head bolts do not get into the plastic/elastic region. If there was a practical method to clean and re-apply the micro-encapsulated threadlocker, the head bolts could be re-used over and over. The rod bolts are torque to yield bolts - there is no threadlocker on them and the shop manual states they are not to be re-used. I had a wrong impression of the head bolts for a long time. I thought they were tightened into the plastic / elastic zone!! I have been thinking about this all day and its nagging me. Kevin, are you 100% sure, that when the bolts aee properly torqued based on the torque-angle method in the FSM that the bolts don't end up in the elastic zone? If that is not true it totally destroys my thinking and all of the studying and research I have done. I was under the impression that I bolt HAD to be torqed to the sweet spot in the elastic zone to maintain clamping force. Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted May 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 small update, guess we found the spot were it all went wrong btw, i'm hoping to make some pictures myself soon, but 0,2mb for uploading to the forum is not all that much, where would you put these pictures with a link to the forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 @babylon_nl by the way, what is your name? I use photobucket. Make an account Upload photos there Link it as a PHOTO and paste the code here at your desired insertion point You can link as many photos as you want Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Someone mentioned....."Use Big Sert kit if heli-coil was used." Pic is from the time-sert web site. Quote Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.logandieselusa.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 20 hours ago, BodybyFisher said: I have been thinking about this all day and its nagging me. Kevin, are you 100% sure, that when the bolts aee properly torqued based on the torque-angle method in the FSM that the bolts don't end up in the elastic zone? Yes - I had an extensive phone conversation with the guru when I repaired my Seville STS engine several years ago. The head bolts are not torque to yield. They provide constant clamping force due to the low static torque and the angular specification which removes friction from the equation as compared to just a standard torque value. Torque to yield bolts do get into the plastic region - that is the design of the rod cap bolts. Quote Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Update: it seems this... thing? is slightly broken.. It translates as 'camshaft guide', but when i google it, i dont see anything that slightly resembles it.. does anybody know what it's really called? By the way, sorry to be so rude, I go by the name of Ron Pleased to meet you all! Edited May 9, 2017 by babylon_nl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 'Timing chain guide' babylon_nl 1 Quote Logan Diagnostic LLC www.airbagcrash.com www.logandieselusa.com www.ledfix.com www.ledfix.com/yukontaillightrepair.html www.ledfix.com/ledreplacements.html www.ledfix.com/j42385toolrental.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Ooooh brilliant! Thanks @Logan now it makes sense, thanks!!! BodybyFisher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barczy01 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=416723&cc=1371147&jsn=434 babylon_nl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 So... due to the heat here work has been extremely slow, but we're still on track We have cleaned the threads and holes of the block and as adviced by Barczy01, we examined the threads carefully. We even tested them and found that @ 20lbs of torque the old bolts are starting to feel terribly eerie, so we had to make a decision on what to use: studs, or inserts. Frankly we've decided to use @NorthstarPerformance studs, but after sending a message on the website and a PM on here, there is no reply on our question on transport price to europe... We're patient, but a month should be good timeframe, does any body know if they are still in bussiness or do they have summer closure? Their kit will probably end up around 800,- incl.shipment, it'd be nice if we'd know that money dont end up in the greasepit, plus it'd be awesome if the car would run by the time winter sets in Anybody heard of them at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Ill page Jake and get him to come here. This should not happen Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Thanks @BodybyFisher, jake seems to have missed my msgs, no worries, he's mailed me just now! Great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthstarPerformance Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 I have searched my email inbox and found one contact message from June 13th. I apologize that message was overlooked or missed. I am rarely on the forums here, and as a result I never received the private message here. I have replied to your email address- I will happily assist in providing any parts that you need for that Northstar build with the best shipping possible to the Netherlands Thank you. And thanks Mike for bringing this to my attention. BodybyFisher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Jake has messages since 6/13. If this HAS been a month, Jake needs to know how you tried to contact him so he can avoid this in the future. Please detail your contact method and dates Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Thanks guys, all good now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Ok good! Wait.....you PMd Jake here? Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, BodybyFisher said: Wait.....you PMd Jake here? Yes and tried thru the website, but now we're emailing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted June 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 I pm'ed june 1 and I guess a few days later thru the website's contact form, if that's of any help? Jake mailed me he missed it, i think it did come thru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Unfortunately PMing him here delayed the process. Well at least you got together now. Look forward to seeing your results Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babylon_nl Posted June 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thanks I've uploaded some pics of the work on http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/cadillac_northstar/library/?sort=3&page=1 unfortunately didnt have the opertunity yet to make 'nice' pictures but it gives idea of what's going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 hours ago, babylon_nl said: Thanks I've uploaded some pics of the work on http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/cadillac_northstar/library/?sort=3&page=1 unfortunately didnt have the opertunity yet to make 'nice' pictures but it gives idea of what's going on Good photos, I like how you are keeping related parts together. Did you drop the engine and trans from the bottom? What is the big steel frame with the wheels being used for?, lifting? Quote Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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