jmalkw Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 i bought a 1994 cadillac sedan deville a few weeks ago and i cannot get it runnuing!! i spent way too much money trying to get her running ,but she still won't start. the car cranks, but wont START. i changed the injectors, fuel filter, fuel pump, ang all the spark plugs and still nothing. i'm out of options!! the car is a beauty, and i really dont want to sell it, but its costing me a small fortune to get it running!! can someone please help me with this?? the mechanic told me that i'm getting the right pressure at the fuel pressure regulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growe3 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Perhaps the most important thing is to retrieve any diagnostic codes. I am not sure if your Deville accesses them the same as a Seville, but you can try. With the ignition turned on, hold down the Heater OFF button and the Auto button (it is like booting a computer). Within about 3-5 seconds all of the indicator lights will come on. Release the buttons and let the system retrieve the codes. As the codes are displayed, write them down, and then post here. To get out of the diagnostic mode press the Heater Auto button, or turn off the key. Another important thing to check are the fuses. Access the trunk fuse box and look for one marked "IGN". Check and replace if it has failed. Replace any failed fuse with the indicated amp value, putting in one of a higher value will cause a risk of severe wiring damage. Drive'em like you own 'em. - ....................04 DTS............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 The 1994 Deville does list the on-board diagnostic (OBD) codes just exactly the same way as the Seville SLS does. You really must have the codes. Without the OBD codes, and with an unfamiliar car, you are just throwing parts at it. Each code will be of the form P012 CURRENT where the code, a letter and thee numbers, will be followed by CURRENT or HISTORY. The ones that are shown as CURRENT show tests that failed since they were last run. All of them run that don't need the car runni9ng when you first turn on the key, and the rest run as soon as running conditions are consistent with the test. The example, P012, tells us "No distributor signal" which, if you have that code as CURRENT, tells us to check the distributor wiring and connectors. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Stop throwing parts at the car in the hope of finding the problem. That gets expensive in a hurry. Simultaneously press and hold the OFF and WARMER buttons on the climate control panel and the codes will be displayed on the information center. Post the codes back on this thread and the troubleshooting process can begin. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Get the codes. It could be something as simple as failed ignition control module. A $20 part inside of the distributor. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-gqGz8lIFQ&feature=related The quality of the clip is poor but it will give you an idea how to. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalkw Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 ok so i finally got a chance to check the codes, and this is what i came up with P052(current), 1039(current), 1032 (current) 1059 (current). does this sound about right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 It is "I" not 1 http://myweb.accessu...90/dtcobd1.html The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 P052 (E052) ....................................................... PCM Memory Reset P039 (E039) ..... Torque Coverter Clutch/Viscous Converter Clutch Engagement Problem I do no see an I059 only a P059 recheck that code P059 (E059) ........................................ Transmission Input speed sensor P052 is probably due to the battery being disconnected But I do not see any reason why you should not be starting, the above codes should not impact starting What is your fuel pressure at the schrader valve with the KEY ON?, we and you need to know that. Do you have spark at the plugs, have you checked? What is the status of the distributor cap, has it been replaced? Have you inspected it? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalkw Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 i was told by the mechanic my fuel pressure is ok. i replaced the spark plugs, and put a new battery on it when i first bought it. i dont know what else it could be. do you guys think i have a broken timing chain? i heard that could cause a car not to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalkw Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 i also looked in the pcm codes,and got a bunch of numbers. would those be relevent by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterset Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 i also looked in the pcm codes,and got a bunch of numbers. would those be relevent by any chance? Did the mechanic give you the pressure of the fuel? - If not, I would not rule out the fuel pump. Chains failing is very rare to non existant. When you turn the key to on (don't crank it), you should hear the fuel pump run for 5 seconds. check fuses, and the connectors to the coil packs etc. you have to narrow it down to no spark or no fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 i also looked in the pcm codes,and got a bunch of numbers. would those be relevent by any chance? What does this mean? I thought you posted the codes above? Call your mechanic and ask him WHAT THE PRESSURE was. I asked about the distributor cap above, no response? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalkw Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 ok, i just talked to him and he said the pressure reading was at 48 psi an d that was normal. he also said my wires are probably bad, but i didnt want to keep guessing so thats why i am asking thecadilcadillac experts for advice . and no idid not changed a distributor cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalkw Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 sorry for the typos, it's been a long frustrating day dealing with the car! i know its something simple, but its complicated. thanks for all the quick responses too guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 OK, you need to pull the distributor cap and take a look at it for cracks, or carbon tracking, especially between the center tower and one of the cylinders. Look at the rotor to make sure it looks ok, make sure it is not burned through to metal, I have been spark actually find its way through rotors. Take a plug wire off a spark plug, let is hang next to metal, but NOT near any electronics, and have someone crank the engine briefly. Is there spark? Look for spark to make sure the that the coil is putting out. STAY AWAY from it, don't hold the wire let it hang, it will JOLT you. There is a connector at the distributor make sure it is connected solidly. Do you smell fuel? Check the INJ (INJECTOR) fuses to make sure they are not blown or corroded How long did your mechanic inspect this, what was his findings? how many miles on this engine? What is the history when was it run last? How is the fuel?, is it old? Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHE Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Take one of the old spark plugs and unplug one wire from one of the plugs in the engine and plug the old plug into the wire. Ground the electrode of the plug and have someone crank the engine; do you see spark? If not, you have an ignition prolem. Kevin '93 Fleetwood Brougham '05 Deville '04 Deville 2013 Silverado Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Take one of the old spark plugs and unplug one wire from one of the plugs in the engine and plug the old plug into the wire. Ground the electrode of the plug and have someone crank the engine; do you see spark? If not, you have an ignition prolem. Good Idea Kevin Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterset Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Take one of the old spark plugs and unplug one wire from one of the plugs in the engine and plug the old plug into the wire. Ground the electrode of the plug and have someone crank the engine; do you see spark? If not, you have an ignition prolem. Good Idea Kevin Do these engines have an "ignition Control Module" in under the rotor in the distributor cap. it's that boomerang shaped componant. I don't have much experience on distributors & rotors, but I know that that componant failing will give a no-start condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 The distributor contains an ignition control module, it utilizes heat transfer compound if I recall to shunt heat away that must be used. I believe if it was bad, there would be no spark, and it may set a code. ACDELCO Part # 19179581 {#10482832, D1961A} replaces D1961A MODULE,DISTR IGN CONT Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adallak Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 A bad ICM would set P012 code. The saddest thing in life is wasted talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodybyFisher Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Thanks Adallak Pre-1995 - DTC codes OBD1 >> 1996 and newer - DTC codes OBD2 >> https://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/gm/obd_codes.htm How to check for codes Caddyinfo How To Technical Archive >> http://www.caddyinfo.com/wordpress/cadillac-how-to-faq/ Cadillac History & Specifications Year by Year http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 If it turns over normally but won't start and the exhaust does not smell of fuel, it has no gas. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterset Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 A bad ICM would set P012 code. So if the ICM is bad, when cranking, it would detect that there is a failure on that component, and set a current code? I understood they are only reliable when the engine is running with a fault - and that cranking doesn't set some codes. Big_Guy, you still need to check the distributor as BBF mentioned, and then let us know if there is spark. We cannon provide any further input untill we have an answer. BTW, you are right simple & complicated. - but we need to narrow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Jim Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Experience going back many decades: crank the car for 30 seconds, turn the key off, walk to the rear and smell the exhaust area. If you smell fuel, it has no spark. If you don't smell fuel, it has no gas. Other problems, such as bad compression or cam timing, show up in fast, funny or irregular cranking speed and other such, and you never walk around to the rear of the car. But nearly every time a no-start condition where the engine cranks normally but does not fire is no spark or no gas and a simple walk-around will tell you which in under a minute, without raising the hood. -- Click Here for CaddyInfo page on "How To" Read Your OBD Codes-- Click Here for my personal page to download my OBD code list as an Excel file, plus other Cadillac data -- See my CaddyInfo car blogs: 2011 CTS-V, 1997 ETC Yes, I was Jims_97_ETC before I changed cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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